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Hy-Tran Question

Postby w30bob » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:57 pm

Hi Guys,

Ok, my question is............where do you get it? Seems my only local Case/IH dealer is no more. He's now a dealer for Kubota and a bunch of no-name landscaping brands. I went in to talk to the parts guy and it seems they didn't have any old left-over Hy-Trans in the back either. Next nearest dealer is a couple hours away.

I searched Hy-Tran on here and expected to see some knock-out-drag-out conversations about how nothing is better and how all lubes are made by one of three refineries and as long as what you use meets the minimum specs and you're ok kind of conversation.......but didn't. Not wanting to open any old wounds or create any new ones.........but what are you guys using in your Cub trans and finals when Hy-Tran is no where to be found?

I'll duck for cover now.........

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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby Don McCombs » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:04 pm

Any MS-1207 or MS-1209 compliant hydraulic fluid will work. Check the label to determine compliance.
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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby w30bob » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:18 pm

And Don fires the first shot across the bow!!!!!!!

Just kidding.......thanks Don.

I apologize for not reading the manual all the way yet............but is Hy-Tran a true hydraulic oil or a gear oil? Seems the trans and finals would like a gear oil if you have gear teeth intermeshing and those contact patches stressing the lube.......no?

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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby Glen » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:34 pm

Hi,
Hy-Tran fluid is used for both hydraulic, and gear case use, the newer Cubs used it in both, the owner's manuals say.
If you want genuine Hy-Tran, you can probably phone a dealer and they can send you a 1 gallon can.
The dealer I buy things at lets me buy things over the phone with a credit card, then they mail it to me.

If you have a Cub that it says in the owner's manual to use 90 wt gear oil in the gear cases, you can still use that if you want to. :)

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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby Bill Hudson » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:39 pm

A full line Cub Cadet dealer should have it in-stock.

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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby w30bob » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:50 pm

Bill,

Are you serious? Reason I ask is the dealer I just went to did sell Cub Cadet.....and the parts guy I spoke with (actually there were two of them behind the counter) worked there when they were a Case/IH dealer. When I asked if they had any Hy-Tran for my IH Cub they said no, that the only Hy-Tran they had was for a Cub Cadet and they pointed to the Cub Cadet brand white gallon jug with a small red label that said "Hydrostatic Transmission Oil". Since they said "no, only that stuff" I assumed it was different. I would think those Bubba's would have told me it was the same stuff as IH Hy-Tran.

Sort of all a moot point..........I'm driving up to NJ from Maryland tomorrow and have to drive past an IH dealer in Delaware. I'll stop in and get myself some Hy-Tran and be done with it. But it is good to know other lubes can be substituted.

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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby Don McCombs » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:28 pm

Hoober's?
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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby Matt Kirsch » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:51 am

Cub Cadet hasn't been associated with IH since the early 1980's so it's very understandable that someone working there would not know that it's "the same stuff" as Hytran.

I use gear lube in the trans and finals on a Cub, and the MS-1209 compatible fluid from TSC for the touch control. There isn't anything exotic in these touch controls that would require anything but a good clean fluid. It's when you get into the powershift transmissions with all their wet clutches, is where the type of fluid you use can matter.

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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby Mike in Louisiana » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:35 am

Don McCombs wrote:Hoober's?


Don, Its a good thing you 'you did not tell me to go to HOOBER'S because i would end up at HOOTER's.
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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:36 am

Matt Kirsch wrote:. . . There isn't anything exotic in these touch controls that would require anything but a good clean fluid. . . .

The original Touch-Control fluid had anti-foam additives and no detergent, which is a minimal requirement for decent operation. Motor oil is a bad choice as it is the exact opposite.

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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby AL Farmall Boy » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:48 am

Jim Becker wrote:
Matt Kirsch wrote:. . . There isn't anything exotic in these touch controls that would require anything but a good clean fluid. . . .

The original Touch-Control fluid had anti-foam additives and no detergent, which is a minimal requirement for decent operation. Motor oil is a bad choice as it is the exact opposite.


I agree Jim, but haven't I read somewhere that 30 weight motor oil could be used or was recommended for use in the tc system? Was thinking it said that in early manuals. I know I've drained several units that had it in them.
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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby MiCarl » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:28 pm

AL Farmall Boy wrote:
Jim Becker wrote:
Matt Kirsch wrote:. . . There isn't anything exotic in these touch controls that would require anything but a good clean fluid. . . .

The original Touch-Control fluid had anti-foam additives and no detergent, which is a minimal requirement for decent operation. Motor oil is a bad choice as it is the exact opposite.


I agree Jim, but haven't I read somewhere that 30 weight motor oil could be used or was recommended for use in the tc system? Was thinking it said that in early manuals. I know I've drained several units that had it in them.


The early touch control manual called for 10W engine oil. Probably no anti-foaming and likely no detergent in 1948.
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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:30 pm

Originally, the recommendation was a "good grade" of 10W motor oil. Some places, they said "clean" 10W oil. I suppose some people have to be told to use clean oil. This recommendation was in the '49 Owner's Manuals but was changed to Touch-Control oil by the '50 manuals. So it didn't take long to find they needed to make the change.

I assume the problems came mostly from people using detergent oil, which they didn't specifically say not to. People using the wrong weight, like 20W or 30 would have contributed to more problems. SInce the earlier Lift-All systems in the H and M used 30 weight motor oil, I suppose a lot of mechanics used the same without checking the recommendations. Of course, today a non-detergent 10W is very hard to find, non-detergent 30 is getting hard enough.

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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby MiCarl » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:11 pm

Or the marketing department figured out there was more profit in selling IH branded fluids........
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Re: Hy-Tran Question

Postby AL Farmall Boy » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:22 pm

Thank you...I knew it was something like that.
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