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And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby Adajen » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:29 pm

Hello, as mentioned in my other post this will be our first restoration. Glad to have all the information available and knowledge all here in one place. I'm sure there will be many questions I'll ask in the future haha.
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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby Frozenstate » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:49 pm

What was it being used for, to pump sewage?

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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby Dale Finch » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:09 pm

Well you have the first items for a proper restoration already on hand...2 cans of Kroil!!! Suggest you buy it in a gallon jug in the future!!

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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby ricky racer » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:21 pm

Looks like you've got a nice straight Cub to start with. Post a lot of pictures as you go. We love to watch the transformation!!
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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby rockfarmer » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:26 pm

Looks like it's in great shape for a restoration, other than the engine block. Is it a '47 or '48?

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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby staninlowerAL » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:15 am

Agree with all the suggestions/comments. If you want to disassemble the engine before visiting the machine shop the next difficult chore is going to be getting the valves and pistons moving/out. Suggest you download the GSS engine rebuild service manual and learn how things are put together (if you don't already know). It's difficult to remove the pistons on an engine in this condition without removing the crankshaft because they are likely stuck pretty bad, but it can be done. Patience and lots of it is your best friend on one like this. Good Luck and keep posting. :hattip:
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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby Shane N. » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:24 am

Congratulations on your sons new Cub! By the time you bore it, valve seats, new valves, new pistons, turn the crank, new bearings, etc. you may be ahead of the game to find a good running Cub and do an engine swap. A machine shop and a lot of new parts will tie up some $$$$$$$$.
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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby goldencub » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:22 am

If he can find a good running Cub, why bother to do an engine swap? Use that one, and part out this recently acquired piece of misery. He might even come out ahead in the $$$$ column. Al D
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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby IHCFan1950 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:57 am

It depends on how mechanically inclined you are and what kind of tools you have available. If you can tackle the engine mostly by yourself, the more the better. I would start with a thorough disassembly of that engine block and cleaning and a good flushing out. Evaluate the major pieces like the crank, and so forth. Sometimes, it can look worse than it is. I am having a hard time telling if that is mostly sludge, or if that is some heavy duty rust. Most anything can be brought back, it just depends how much money you want to pour into it. Heck, I knew a guy who pulled a 350 Chevy out of a creek bottom, and built it up into an engine for his car. It cost him dearly though at the machine shop though, because the block was so rusted up. Did you pull the dip stick? If so, do you have pure water, or pure oil, or a mixture? I agree with Shane. It may be more economical in the long run to find another tractor with a running engine and swap. There also might be someone on here with a spare block they want to get rid of as well.
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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby Willy » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:29 pm

Reminds me of a Chevy 307 I bought for $25 once. That one sat out in the car it came out of with the hood and heads off for a couple of years. Good thing I just bought it for parts to go on a 283 short block.
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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby ricky racer » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:38 pm

Shane Nelson wrote:Congratulations on your sons new Cub! By the time you bore it, valve seats, new valves, new pistons, turn the crank, new bearings, etc. you may be ahead of the game to find a good running Cub and do an engine swap. A machine shop and a lot of new parts will tie up some $$$$$$$$.


I don't know if I'd agree or not. If you rebuild this one, you'll know what you've got and it will be new. Any used Cub or Cub engine is going to be 50 years old, at least. I completely went through my '53 from front to back. It is virtually a brand new machine (well about 10 years old now) and my total investment is around $2500. What an you buy for $2500 that is anywhere equal to a brand new Cub? If the intent is to be a learning experience with your son, what better lessen could you share then doing a first class job that will last for another 50 years.
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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby Adajen » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:52 pm

The oil looks like not much water if any. Any luck the lower might not be as bad. That is a lot of loose rust/sludge your looking at. After blowing everything off with air hose it looked a good bit better. I'd say 75% was gone after air hose . As far as a new motor. Not so interested unless absolutely necessary. The whole purpose was for a project. Only TIME, MONEY AND MEMORIES in the future haha.
Off on kind of another topic but about a year ago I purchased some barn metal from a man about 2.5 hours from me. Took a while to find this place but when I got there the metal was just like advertised along with a lot of tractors and other farm equipment. Man and his farm hand helped us load everything. I had glanced over and seen a pretty cub sitting in grass that had been mowed. I'd say great/excellent condition, good paint, Anyways I asked the man, are you selling everything out here? He responded something on the lines of. Everything's for sale for the right price, Not exactly sure about that part. So I asked. How about that cub? He said nope that's not for sale. Go over there and take a look at the serial number. So I did of course. S#507. I said "nice its one of he first ones and he just said yep and we went on about our business. Wasn't till later that I got home and done some looking up I found out the serial numbers as far as I could see started at 501. So if all that was the case and the serial number on that cub was original then that's a pretty cool find. .

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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby staninlowerAL » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:41 pm

Something to help evaluate your engine: early blocks had a known problem with the "ear" where it bolts to the front bolster. You can search and find more info about this topic. You can check to determine if your block is cracked/broken/welded at that point to help decide if you want to use it.
EDIT TO ADD REFERENCE TOPIC: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=81975&p=655970&hilit=early+block+broken+ear#p656114

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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby Shane N. » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:29 am

ricky racer wrote:
Shane Nelson wrote:Congratulations on your sons new Cub! By the time you bore it, valve seats, new valves, new pistons, turn the crank, new bearings, etc. you may be ahead of the game to find a good running Cub and do an engine swap. A machine shop and a lot of new parts will tie up some $$$$$$$$.


I don't know if I'd agree or not. If you rebuild this one, you'll know what you've got and it will be new. Any used Cub or Cub engine is going to be 50 years old, at least. I completely went through my '53 from front to back. It is virtually a brand new machine (well about 10 years old now) and my total investment is around $2500. What an you buy for $2500 that is anywhere equal to a brand new Cub? If the intent is to be a learning experience with your son, what better lessen could you share then doing a first class job that will last for another 50 years.

Ricky, I completely understand what you are saying. This block looks bad to me but since he's cleaned it up it may not be as bad as it looks. One of the valves, a big piece is missing off it. The valves that are up, there's no telling what kind of carnage is in there. I'm glad you have a rebuilt good Cub for $2,500, we have more than that in our '47 and haven't even painted it yet and I did all the work myself :shock: :lol:
The reason I suggested a donor engine is if you can hear one run and it has no smoke then *usually* it's not that bad, if it smokes at all or has a knock then your no better off than starting fresh with what you have. I know machine shop cost can add up quick when dealing with anything, I know things we work on here do.
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Re: And the fun begins. 1st cub restoration

Postby Willy » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:04 am

Actually, those before shots of the Cub looks better than mine did the day I helped my father in law load it onto his trailer to take home. Mine had a bit more rust on the sheet metal back then. Kroil quickly became my weapon of choice too.
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