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Re: New to me Cub

Postby Papa's Cub » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:44 pm

I adopted Annie Mae yesterday. She hasn't worked any in the last 10 years and has not ran for 5+ yrs., but, has been stored in a garage out of the weather. The P/O states it hasn't been cranked for 3 yrs and now the engine is stuck. Upon inspection I believe the paint and decals are original. The steering and brakes are in exceptional good shape. I'm hoping with marvel mystery oil and a little persuasion I can free it up. Any suggestions from those who have had success freeing a stuck engine will be appreciated.
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Re: Re: New to me Cub

Postby staninlowerAL » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:15 pm

Congrats on adopting Annie Mae. Maybe you won't need the snow plow in SE Georgia. I'm guessing that she will roll in neutral so that leaves the transmission out of the diagnosis. I would try the following not necessarily in the order listed. 1. get some lubricant into each cylinder and let it soak. 2. remove the starter and try to move the flywheel/CS by using a pry tool on the teeth in both directions. Get one rear wheel off the ground so you can try to "rock" engine by putting the trans in 3rd gear and rotate the wheel. 3. when you get some movement, prime the oil pump before attempting to start. 4. check for any binding from the fan shaft. Good luck with your project.

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Re: Re: New to me Cub

Postby inairam » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:29 pm

The most important tool you need is patience. Do not be in a rush. This tractor looks like it is in good shape keep inside. you do not want to break something.

Remove the starter to make sure the Bendix is not stuck. I would leave it out for now.
I would put some penetrating oil in the spark plug holes and liberty spray on the valves from the cover side.
Take out the patience tool - wait 24-48 hours
Try and rock the cub in 3ed gear. Try to move the valves with a screwdriver. If you have a hand crank try that. ( some members suggest prying on the teeth on the flywheel but I think that is risky, but if you do not give it a try.

Repeat as necessary using more of the patience tool than the penetrating oil.

Once you break your patience tool the next step is pulling the oil pan and head to get a look but if it was cranking 3 years ago you should not need to.


penetrating oil is one of those subjects that can take over a post. I will say I have had positive results with 50% automatic transmission fluid and 50% acetone. It is cheaper than the branded options and I found it effective. Your mileage may vary.
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Re: Re: New to me Cub

Postby Cubfriend » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:17 pm

In your first picture I don’t know what the crank is for but I don’t think it is for a Cub. The other three pieces are for something to do with railroad tracks. I have seen them where I work on our railroad tracks.
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Re: Re: New to me Cub

Postby IHCFan1950 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:24 pm

Glad Annie Mae has gone to a good home! Don't be in a hurry, that's when mistakes happen. Inairam is spot on with his unfreezing concoction of Trans fluid and acetone. Lucky for you she has been stored inside these past few years. It really takes a toll on the old girls leaving them outside. First opportunity, I would take the head off and have a better look at what is inside. Don't forget about Marvel Mystery Oil as well. I have used it in the past to unfreeze motors that had sat for a long time and simply locked up. But if you use it, use it liberally. Best of luck on your project!
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Re: Re: New to me Cub

Postby Papa's Cub » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:34 am

Cubfriend wrote:In your first picture I don’t know what the crank is for but I don’t think it is for a Cub. The other three pieces are for something to do with railroad tracks. I have seen them where I work on our railroad tracks.

I thought the crank might be used to adjust something on an implement of some kind and the other three pieces have cast numbers but I haven't taken the time to clean them with a wire brush, yet.
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Re: Re: New to me Cub

Postby Cubfriend » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:41 am

Walk along most railroad tracks and you will see the three J shaped pieces.
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Re: New to me Cub

Postby Larry in WNY » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:31 pm

I used some automatic transmission fluid in the cylinders of a stuck Wisconsin THD and within a few minutes it was free. Not sure why it worked so well. Oh keep your face away from the exhaust when it finally turns over. ATF doesn't taste good.
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Re: New to me Cub

Postby Papa's Cub » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:43 am

I purchased a gallon of Acetone last night with the intention of mixing it 50/50 with ATF only to discover the quart of fluid on the shelf is power steering fluid. Would you recommend mixing the acetone w/MMO or power steering fluid as a substitute for ATF? Thanks again for the recommendations and advice, Tom.
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Re: New to me Cub

Postby Papa's Cub » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:55 am

While removing the gas tank to be cleaned and sealed I discovered the head had been removed and put back on as the bolts were only finger tight. This caused more concern so I removed it and to my surprise the pistons and cylinders looked good and no visible rust. Two or three times a day I'd take a piece of oak and give the pistons a good tapping with a rubber mallet adding penetrant as needed. After a couple of weeks I began to think maybe it wasn't the pistons stuck but the crankshaft. This morning I thought I noticed a small movement as I tapped the pistons, so I got a bigger hammer and sure enough eack strike gained a little more movement. Ten minutes later I could easily spin the engine with the hand crank and noticed that the valves were working properly. :{_}: My next question is would it be acceptable to re-torque the head using the old gasket after proper cleaning to try and start it up? I'd really like to hear it run if even for just a few seconds. As always all comments and suggestions are welcome and appreciated. Thanks Again, Tom. :tractor:
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Re: Re: New to me Cub

Postby IHCFan1950 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:04 pm

If it were me, I would get a new headgasket. Once they have been flattened out, it is nearly impossible for them to get an acceptable seal on a reuse. Glad your engine broke free! Pretty scary though that the head wasn't tightened down though.
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Re: New to me Cub

Postby Glen » Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:01 pm

Hi,
Good that you got the engine to turn. :)

The head bolts need Non hardening sealer on the threads before putting them in. They can leak coolant without sealer.
Below is a post I made telling about it, my first post on the page.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=102173&p=807849#p807849

Below is a page from the Cub service manual, with the torque sequence for the head.

http://www.farmallcub.info/manuals/gss- ... 001-14.jpg

Prime the oil pump before running the engine, in case the oil pump has lost it's prime. It is easy to do.
Below is a post I made showing how, it is part way down the page.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=91765&start=60

The piston rings could be stuck, and not free to seal in the cylinders, since the pistons were stuck in the cylinders.
You could use an oil additive to help free them. The people on here say to work the Cub doing some work, for several hours, with the additive in the oil, can help the rings come loose.
I have used Rislone and had success before. There are other brands also. :)
Last edited by Glen on Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: New to me Cub

Postby Papa's Cub » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:28 pm

Thanks to all for the suggestions and advice. It's appreciated! This afternoon I ordered a new head gasket set and a new oil filter. In the next few days, weather permitting, I plan to R & I the radiator and clean the water system, the breather assy and breather tube, drain and refill the fan hub, clean the carburetor and degrease the engine and hydraulic block while the tank is off. Since this is my first experience with a 6 Volt Positive ground system I'll need to do a little research on how to reset the generator.
If I run into problems I'll be back for guidance. Many Thanks, Tom.
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