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Fouled Plugs

Postby Ricaroo » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:39 am

I put a new set of plugs in the cub (D16) Because the other set fouled on me. This is the third set this year. Could I have a coil problem and if so how do I check it or could it be a carb adjustment. The screw on the carb is apx 1 1/2 turns open. If I turn the screw on the carb in will that lean the mixture or make it richer?

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Postby cjpenny89 » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:00 am

how often do you run the cub? Do you work it hard? the d-16 is a cooler plug and is great if you really work the tractor. But if you don't use it much and just haul wagons and stuff like that then put in some d-21's

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Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:00 am

First thing i'd do is go to a higher heat range plug. D21 is waht most people run for light duty such as weekly mowing, etc.
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Postby George Willer » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:00 am

Rick,

Next time use D-21 plugs. They are hotter and more likely to burn the stuff off them. Turning the idle screw in reduces the air and makes the mixture richer.
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Postby Dale51 » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:24 am

I don't have the #'s handy but I have found the champions even the D21
foul faster than AC or Autolites this is not only cubs but a lot of other vehicles.
I have a 85 dodge with a slant 6 engine & it hates champions but will just pur on a set of AC's.
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Postby superc_1 » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:49 am

I use AC Delco plugs. I've been told by alot of old timers thats there the best there is when it comes to plugs. I've never had a problem with them and I've owned 2- super C's, 2- A's, and now my cub.
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Postby Eugene » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:36 am

What is causing the plugs to foul? Usually a good indication of some sort of mechanical problem.

Excess fuel - adjust the carburator float level - needle valve and seat.

Oil - hotter plugs and just live with it. Worn engine - perhaps you can step up in engine oil weight - try straight 30 weight engine oil. Stuck rings - perhaps Sea Foam will loosen the rings.

Antifreeze/water - head gasket. Usually only one or two plugs fouling.

Just a couple of thoughts.

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Postby Jack » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:25 am

superc_1 what is the number of the AC plugs you use?
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Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:08 am

Champion D16 and D21 both cross to AC 87 or Autolite 386
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Postby George Willer » Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:13 pm

Chris Klossner's cross shows the following:

D-16 = A/C 85S or 86 and Autolite B9

D-21 = A/C 87 or Autolite B11

It's all Greek to me, I try to stay with Champions, usually D-21. They use good steel for the shells, good porcelain for the insulator and good steel for the center electrode... same as all other companies. After the proper heat range is selected, the rest can't be rocket science. :D
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Postby RedNed » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:22 pm

It's all Greek to me, I try to stay with Champions
Correct me, doesn't AC stand for Albert Champion.One of them Champion brothers. :shock: Or is that just a urban legend. :wink:
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Postby Dale51 » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:58 pm

If you dought then try this.
Find a old spark plug tester & cleaner.
Put the air pressure to the plug of your choice & see at what pressure to spark stops the try the other brand.
You mite be suprised :shock:
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Postby Eugene » Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:34 pm

RedNed wrote:
Correct me, doesn't AC stand for Albert Champion.One of them Champion brothers. :shock: Or is that just a urban legend. :wink:


Nope AC stands for Allis Chalmers. I used Champion D18Y plugs in a worn out Cub engine. Didn't foul.

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Postby George Willer » Sat Nov 19, 2005 8:55 pm

Dale51 wrote:If you dought then try this.
Find a old spark plug tester & cleaner.
Put the air pressure to the plug of your choice & see at what pressure to spark stops the try the other brand.
You mite be suprised :shock:


I got rid of my cleaner/tester, but the test function mostly was a sales gimick that depended on the squareness of the center electrode and the gap. Really, smoke and mirrors. :lol:
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Postby WKPoor » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:13 pm

Well I'll add my 2 cents worth here also.
First off when someone says one brand preformed better than another its hard to quantify that statement. But just like a well tuned engine- you just know it by the way it sounds and feels. You don't really measure the performance , you just know especially if you've operated the equipment for a while. I'm so dialed in on my H I can tell a difference when I switch brands. Yesterday the Gravely oil fouled a plug so I put in a new Champ J8C. I could tell right off something didn't sound right and it had a miss at idle. Went and bought an Autolite and it purrs like it used to. Can't explain it, just know what I experienced.
I seem to have in the last couple off yrs settled on the Autolites because I like their smaller outer electrodes. I agree with George there shouldn't be a difference in brands if they perform according to design. But plugs are like oil. Everybody's going to have a preference even if there is no proof in superiority.


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