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Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby Redcub » Sat May 01, 2021 10:55 pm

Hey, did you forget to pull that battery out of your Cub last fall or Winter and bring it inside? Did you forget to put it on a battery maintainer unit?
Did your battery fall over and leak the acid out all over the floor?
Is it "ka-put-ski" and you just had sticker shock on the price of a new battery?

Yeah, me too.

Many thanks to all of you Cubbers for your help. The search function of this web site has really helped me.

I've seen some really great conversations in here about....

Battery Group size and what it means.
Battery brands vs $$$ price and durability.
Cold Cranking Amps ratings.
Battery Maintainers vs Trickle Chargers.
Converting 6 volt Cub to 12 volt.
Converting back to Mag ( so you don't have a battery )
8 volt battery for a 6 volt tractor.
Build your own charger.
Solar Chargers.
Upgrade to Electronic ignition.
Gen to Alternators conversion.
Polarizing the Gen.
Disconnecting the "F" terminal when you don't have a battery installed.
New wiring harness for your Cub or how to repair it.
All about Mags.

And of course the Group 1 vs the Group 19L battery size and getting the lid on the battery box issue.
So I'll just leave this here, because it that time of year again.
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Thanks for all your help.
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Re: Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby inairam » Mon May 03, 2021 6:22 am

I use solar battery tenders. In addition to size you have to look at cca rating.

I have not seen the 17hf before. I will look into it.
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Re: Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby NJ Farmer » Mon May 03, 2021 6:48 am

My last 6 volt battery lasted 10 years. NAPA brand. I do keep it charged and also bring it inside during the winter.
The price may be high but the batteries do last a long time.

NJ Farmer

Also it is important that your charging system is performing within specs (no over or under charging) i.e. cooking the battery! Always check the electolite level once and awhile top off with distilled water only.

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Re: Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby DrLandraceFarmer » Wed May 05, 2021 10:00 am

Sticker shock is an understatement, then they still had to order it in....

I certainly agree with you , all the previous post and advice that is searchable on here saves time, blood, sweat, and tears!
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Re: Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby SamsFarm » Wed May 05, 2021 1:10 pm

With all this talk of exploding batteries ⬇️.......

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=110566

Consider a magneto and hand crank! :)

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Re: Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby Redcub » Thu May 06, 2021 3:54 am

( Edited to reflect that I got a group 19L and not a group 17 battery):
Gents, I am very ashamed to admit to you that I waited 5 days to get a 6 volt from Napa auto parts for $223.00. I was in a bind and had to have it. Tractor Supply didn't have any, nor did a few other places. And of course I got the "...Huh? a 6 volt?? No such thing!" comment. I have heard that the Napa brand lasts a long time with proper charging, and distilled water addition. ( Thanks NJ Farmer ).

DrLandrace Farmer, everything has shot up in price $$ since last Summer. This Covid economy is draining more than just my battery.

Yes, Sams Farm, I will consider a rebuilt mag from our great sponsor at Brillman. My 47' had one when it was new. Very tempting indeed, thanks.

Inairam, I am going to get a Solar tender this summer. My tractor is a long, long ways out in the middle of nowhere and there is no power. Correction here: Napa DID give me a group 19L battery, but the Part Number had been superseded to a group 17 part number. That seems to go agaisnt all inventory logic, but that's what they did. The Portland warehouse showed 4 in stock, so that's what he gave me, and moved on to the next guy.
Last year one had to come out of Sacramento Ca.

Any other 6 volt'ers have a favorite brand? I'd be happy to read your post here.
Maybe a couple Lemons, a penny and a galvanized nail would put out more power?
Last edited by Redcub on Thu May 06, 2021 5:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby SamsFarm » Thu May 06, 2021 11:26 am

In the fall, I was searching for a battery for my Mom's car, and I only want to buy a American made battery!

A call to Nappa at that time, he told me that the nappa battery was made by Deka. Made in USA

Our local Family Farm & Home sells Deka batteries. I bought it there!

I think Oreillys auto parts sells the Deka batteries too. Ask to be sure, and if made in USA matters to you like it does me, ask that too!

$200+ is absurd for a small cub battery! That thing better last 30 years!

I bought a American made Excide battery for my Deere tractor back in 2015.

Same exact battery as the Deere branded one that came in the tractor, but $30 less than the one with the Deere sticker on it!

I would buy a USA made Excide again, but now, I can not find a local dealer!
Tractor supply was selling the Excide line then, but has switched to some import line! :(

When Menards moved into our area, they carried the Excide line too, but now they carry the AC Delco. The AC Delco was once our battery of choice when it was owned by GM, but they threw it into the sewer and now some Korean company is making the batteries with the AC Delco lable on them! Ugh! :(

I found some Excide sold at Home Depot, but none of them had the country of origin on them and no store helper knew anything, so I passed on them!

Good luck in your quest for a battery! Seems as the price is going up, the quality going down, and the warrentees are fading away! :(

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Re: Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby Peter Person » Thu May 06, 2021 1:01 pm

Advance Auto
DieHard HD Battery Heavy Duty Commercial & Farm Battery, Group Size 1, 700 CCA
1 YR FREE REPLACEMENT
Part # 1-30
$96.99

Fits just fine!
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Re: Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby Redcub » Thu May 06, 2021 5:45 pm

Napa part number is 7217L for a Group 19L 6 volt battery, $230. Made by East Penn Mfg Co. The East Penn number is a 319L.

Yeah, the part number makes it look like a group 17, but I promise you it is a Group 19. It's a Napa computer thing. Why name a 19L with a 17 part number? Dang dumb way to run a warehouse.

CA is 540 at 32F, and CCA at 0F is 440.
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Re: Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby indy61 » Thu May 06, 2021 6:00 pm

Expensive battery for that low of cranking amps and warranty not great either. But at least it fits the battery box.

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NBP7217L

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Re: Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby Redcub » Thu May 06, 2021 7:04 pm

I did a little digging on the interwebs.

Group 19L, 6 volt batteries $$ prices as of 5/2021

Super Start Fleet, at O’Reilly’s $169
Duracell, at Batteries Plus $149
FVP Volt Edge, at Menards $139
Napa Commercial, at Napa $193
Centennial Battery Systems, $139
Interstate at Autoplicity $159

It might be time to move to a Group 1 battery. They seem to be a little less on the price, and much more available.
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Re: Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby dgrapes59 » Thu May 06, 2021 7:37 pm

I don't have the rubber bumpers on my box lid (it's a Norm Quay replacement) so I have no downside to the use a G1 battery, it fits fine. I do put a rubber pad on top of the battery as a safety insulator, just in case.

The "commercial" Rural King one I purchased ($49.99) has 625 CCA, 1-year free replaced and 24 month prorated. I'll see how it compares over time vs. the NAPA one I purchased less than a year ago (640 CCA, 6 months free replacement, 30 months prorated).

I know Rural King is regional and doesn't help you, Redcub, but might benefit someone that has access to one.

Best of luck,
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Re: Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby Jim Becker » Thu May 06, 2021 7:55 pm

A lot of battery prices are based on local competition. Online prices change if you change "my local store".

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Re: Cub 6 volt battery time,...again.

Postby Peter Person » Thu May 06, 2021 9:36 pm

The Advance Auto Diehard Group 1 Battery fits in my original battery box with the rubber bumpers on the lid just fine.
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