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Correct tires to preserve lawn???
Hi All,
I am thinking spring! I just got my completely rebuilt and souped up C60 fired up last weekend. I also just purchased a 59" C-3 mower.
Now, about those tires/wheels ....
The rears leave a pretty good "herringbone" pattern on the grass from my regular tractor tires with just the weight of my 1948 Cub without any wheel weights. Should I get a set of turf tires ? I suppose I should get the largest turf tires possible to spread out the weight.
The front tires are a particular pain. They really like to dig-in when I am turning. Did I hear someone say that a set of Ford rims bolted up to the Cub ? If that is the case I could probably get much wider tires for the front.
Should I keep all four wheel weights off the tractor ?
Any suggestions are greatly appreaciated. I want to benefit from all of your experience instead of making an expensive mistake/experiment.
Thanks, Rick
I am thinking spring! I just got my completely rebuilt and souped up C60 fired up last weekend. I also just purchased a 59" C-3 mower.
Now, about those tires/wheels ....
The rears leave a pretty good "herringbone" pattern on the grass from my regular tractor tires with just the weight of my 1948 Cub without any wheel weights. Should I get a set of turf tires ? I suppose I should get the largest turf tires possible to spread out the weight.
The front tires are a particular pain. They really like to dig-in when I am turning. Did I hear someone say that a set of Ford rims bolted up to the Cub ? If that is the case I could probably get much wider tires for the front.
Should I keep all four wheel weights off the tractor ?
Any suggestions are greatly appreaciated. I want to benefit from all of your experience instead of making an expensive mistake/experiment.
Thanks, Rick
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Rick,
I appologize for the Ford idea. When Barney '48 showed up, he was wearing ford wheels complete with hubcaps. On close later examination I found that the Cub centers were used to modify the Ford wheels so... no go. Here's another idea. Some lawn tractors use rear wheels that are much wider, but with the same centers as the Cub fronts. That's what the handsome Scruffy is wearing in this photo:
I appologize for the Ford idea. When Barney '48 showed up, he was wearing ford wheels complete with hubcaps. On close later examination I found that the Cub centers were used to modify the Ford wheels so... no go. Here's another idea. Some lawn tractors use rear wheels that are much wider, but with the same centers as the Cub fronts. That's what the handsome Scruffy is wearing in this photo:
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Hey Rick...
I ordered a spare set of Cub rims from JP tractor, and when they arrived, I cleaned them up for new tire mounting. I took the rims to my favorite tire center, and they mounted radial tires on the Cub rims. I don't remember the tire manufacturer, nor the size right now, but you could have sworn the tires and rims were a very happy couple. I'll write myself a note and check the details for you when I get home, and try to post tomorrow. They did not leave any kind of marks on the lawn, and were very stable.
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Weight/tires
More weight = more traction. If you want to "float" across the lawn, you'll need bigger contact patches and less weight. Just be certain your lawn is fairly flat because you don't want to lose traction on a hill!
For the fronts, I replaced my tri-rib tires with 4.80-12 trailer tires from Wal*Mart and they fit fine and don't tear up the lawn. Their contact patch is way bigger than the older rib designs. For the rear, turf tires (Firestones from MillerTire.com) work well to not leave a herringbone pattern, but you can't use them on steep grades - it can get scary fast.
For the fronts, I replaced my tri-rib tires with 4.80-12 trailer tires from Wal*Mart and they fit fine and don't tear up the lawn. Their contact patch is way bigger than the older rib designs. For the rear, turf tires (Firestones from MillerTire.com) work well to not leave a herringbone pattern, but you can't use them on steep grades - it can get scary fast.
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Tires
I have not seen anyone actually do this, but, theoretically, this should work.
The high flotation front and rear tires/rims from a 154, 185, 184 Lo-boy should bolt up directly to your Cub axles. This will lower your cub a bit, but if you are primarily concerned with lawn mowing, you should be able to make adjustments to the mower deck for the lower height.
As I said, I have not seen anyone do this, and it would definitely lower your Cub to the ground a little bit, but it would take care of the tire rutting problem, and you would have your original tires/rims for other uses if you need them.
Anyway, just a suggestion.
Bill
The high flotation front and rear tires/rims from a 154, 185, 184 Lo-boy should bolt up directly to your Cub axles. This will lower your cub a bit, but if you are primarily concerned with lawn mowing, you should be able to make adjustments to the mower deck for the lower height.
As I said, I have not seen anyone do this, and it would definitely lower your Cub to the ground a little bit, but it would take care of the tire rutting problem, and you would have your original tires/rims for other uses if you need them.
Anyway, just a suggestion.
Bill
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Eugene wrote:Just thinking. Would the rear flotation 15 inch tires and rims from some of the lawn tractors fit the Cub's front hubs?
I'll measure up a couple of sets that I have on hand tomorrow.
Eugene
Eugene,
I can't say for sure, but I do know many 2 wheel garden tractors use the same wheel. (Bolens, Simplicity, Wards, etc.) Some of those rims are 3 1/2" wide instead of 2 1/2" like the Cub's. Boat trailer tires work well on Cub wheels, so now the question is... Are 5.00 or 6.00 x 12 trailer tires available for the wider rims? I'll be taking those wide ones off Scruffy soon. They do make him harder to steer.
Scruffy is a working tractor and not a trailer queen as some may have thought, although he has been to several shows.
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Re: Tires
gitractorman wrote:I have not seen anyone actually do this, but, theoretically, this should work.
The high flotation front and rear tires/rims from a 154, 185, 184 Lo-boy should bolt up directly to your Cub axles. This will lower your cub a bit, but if you are primarily concerned with lawn mowing, you should be able to make adjustments to the mower deck for the lower height.
As I said, I have not seen anyone do this, and it would definitely lower your Cub to the ground a little bit, but it would take care of the tire rutting problem, and you would have your original tires/rims for other uses if you need them.
Anyway, just a suggestion.
Bill
Bill,
The fronts would work just fine, but the rears are very different. The centers are deeply dished and welded to the rims... too wide for most regular Cubs. They would fit, but would make the Cub about 16" wider than the narrowest setting. The reason is that the number series tractors are much narrower... they've eliminated the right axle tube to make the differential centered.
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Lo Boy Tires
George,
I agree, and understand completely about the difference in the rear axle setup. I was even thinking of the really wide turf tires like was on many of the numbered lo-boys (154, 185, 184). You have to admit, if you are running a 60" mower, then a cub would look really neat set up with the really wide tires. It would be very stable, even on slopes. The tires should go out almost to the edge of the mower deck. I have been looking all morning at pictures, and It does not appear that these floatation tires are much less in diameter than the normal Cub ag style tires, so they may not even lower the tractor much at all. Most of the lower height on the Lo-boys came from the drop axles being rotated 90 degrees, and the front spindles being shortened. I may have to find a set of tires/rims and give this a try, if nothing else, just for fun. Where I live is all clay and flat, so my property is under water for about 1/2 of the year with 6" of standing water. There is just no place for it to drain, so in the spring I cannot even take my Cub off of the driveway.
I agree, and understand completely about the difference in the rear axle setup. I was even thinking of the really wide turf tires like was on many of the numbered lo-boys (154, 185, 184). You have to admit, if you are running a 60" mower, then a cub would look really neat set up with the really wide tires. It would be very stable, even on slopes. The tires should go out almost to the edge of the mower deck. I have been looking all morning at pictures, and It does not appear that these floatation tires are much less in diameter than the normal Cub ag style tires, so they may not even lower the tractor much at all. Most of the lower height on the Lo-boys came from the drop axles being rotated 90 degrees, and the front spindles being shortened. I may have to find a set of tires/rims and give this a try, if nothing else, just for fun. Where I live is all clay and flat, so my property is under water for about 1/2 of the year with 6" of standing water. There is just no place for it to drain, so in the spring I cannot even take my Cub off of the driveway.
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Rick, Buc has a temporary set off of an early 50's Simplicity mower.(rear) Put these on while putting new tires on my rims. The front end sets a little higher than origional but steers great and does not tear up the lawn.
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Re: Lo Boy Tires
gitractorman wrote:George,
I agree, and understand completely about the difference in the rear axle setup. I was even thinking of the really wide turf tires like was on many of the numbered lo-boys (154, 185, 184). You have to admit, if you are running a 60" mower, then a cub would look really neat set up with the really wide tires. It would be very stable, even on slopes. The tires should go out almost to the edge of the mower deck. I have been looking all morning at pictures, and It does not appear that these floatation tires are much less in diameter than the normal Cub ag style tires, so they may not even lower the tractor much at all. Most of the lower height on the Lo-boys came from the drop axles being rotated 90 degrees, and the front spindles being shortened. I may have to find a set of tires/rims and give this a try, if nothing else, just for fun. Where I live is all clay and flat, so my property is under water for about 1/2 of the year with 6" of standing water. There is just no place for it to drain, so in the spring I cannot even take my Cub off of the driveway.
I totally agree... well almost totally. I do think the number series wheels on a regular Cub would be too wide. I checked it out, and even the 8.3 x 24s would result on an outside width of 66". The fat do-nuts would be even wider. If that's not a problem... it's not a problem, but I wouldn't like it. The outside diameter is so close you'd never notice a difference.
I live on a sand knob that is a remnant of an ancient lake shore and never have a tracking problem with ag tires. It's only muddy when the surface thaws and there is still frost in the ground.
My grandson is able to tear it up with the ZTR, but I never had a problem with marking when I was able to mow with my 9N/belly mower with ag tires all around.
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Lawn tractor 12 inch flotation rear tires. I measured up a set of rims from a John Deere 210 and a set from a Cub Cadet 105. Hub hole and bolt patterns are the same as the Cub's front hubs. One set, from the Cub 105, has a deep offset and would definitely work on the Cub's front axle. The second set has a shallower off set. This set would have to be mounted to see if they would work.
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Lawn tractor 12 inch flotation rear tires. I measured up a set of rims from a John Deere 210 and a set from a Cub Cadet 105. Hub hole and bolt patterns are the same as the Cub's front hubs. One set, from the Cub 105, has a deep offset and would definitely work on the Cub's front axle. The second set has a shallower off set. This set would have to be mounted to see if they would work.
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