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up all night from,,i should know better

Postby JGtools » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:46 am

I painted cub -22 parts. I use a catalyst hardener in my paint, i used a respitory mask for such paint, however it was the 3rd use on this mask, and i think the cartridge was not as effective this time. My lungs have been burning all night long, and if i lay down it hurts worse. dumb dumb and dummy me. i did switch brands of hardener , so its possible that i may be reacting to a different chemical. hope i feel better soon, JiM G. :(
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Re: up all night from,,i should know better

Postby Chris Todd » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:52 am

Doesn't sound good to me. I'm sure some others will chime in here with more experience on the dangers of this stuff. From what i'm hearing I don't think the cartridge type mask is the proper mask. I hope you'll be ok. Might be worth a few phone calls? Be Safe!
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Re: up all night from,,i should know better

Postby Don McCombs » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:02 am

The use of a hardener should ONLY be accompanied by the use of a supplied air respirator and full body suit. Don't risk damaging your health any more. Your family needs you around and so do we.
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Re: up all night from,,i should know better

Postby JGtools » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:42 am

thanks for your concern. I did contact 3m help line, they make masks for painting, i told the customer service person what i was using for paint and hardener, they are going to get back in touch with me today. I have painted 3 tractors and never had this problem before with my lungs. My shop has a roof vent that i use while im painting, the electric vent is designed for use while painting. other then that i just tarp off shop, not to get over spray everywhere. I will not use hardener again til i find out more about protection. thanks, JimG.
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Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:46 am

That hardener is great, but can cause serious health problems. Not sure if it is worth it. Ask George Willer about it sometime.
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Re: up all night from,,i should know better

Postby Gary Boutwell » Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:08 am

Jim,

Lesson learned--move on!
Go to a good auto body and paint supply store and buy an OSHA and NIOSH approved paint mask.
There are several good ones out there. 3M seems to be the post prevalent brand.

Health first!

I personally use a 3M brand. Paint under a shed with plenty of ventilation. Wear a full body suit.
I will take a chance on a bug getting in the paint, I can fix that. Can't fix ruined lungs.

Hope you feel better.
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Re: up all night from,,i should know better

Postby evielboweviel » Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:21 pm

ONLY A SUPPLIED AIR MASK IS TO BE USED WITH HARDNER ALONG WITH A FULL BODY SUIT AND GLOVES

now that you have reacted to the hardner DO NOT PAINT WITH HARDNER AGAIN no if ands or buts

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Re: up all night from,,i should know better

Postby Paul B » Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:23 pm

What kind/brand of paint and hardener were you using?
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Re: up all night from,,i should know better

Postby Eikel » Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:44 pm

Jim,
We haven't heard from you since this morning, how are you doing?!

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Re: up all night from,,i should know better

Postby pharmerphil3 » Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:49 pm

Jim,
I have seen to many nasty things in my career; I don’t think you should take anything for granted, take a ride and go see your Doctor.

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Re: up all night from,,i should know better

Postby Bill Hudson » Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:06 pm

Jim,

Go get checked out! Good luck.

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Re: up all night from,,i should know better

Postby JGtools » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:21 pm

hello,
1) I LEARNED A LIFE LESSON ON PAINTING TODAY.
2) I SPOKE WITH MY LOCAL DR. TODAY... JIM GOT AN AS_ CHEWING FROM THE DR.
3) I ALSO TALKED TO A LOCAL AUTOBODY MAN , AND HE CONFIRMED EVERYTHING YOU GUYS KNOW ON THE HARMFUL EFFECTS FROM HARDENER.
4) I STAYED HOME FROM WORK, DR. SAID DRINK TONS OF WATER, SIT UPRIGHT, AND REPORT BACK TO HIM IF I DONT START TO GET BETTER.
5) 3M INFORMED ME THE MASK I WAS USING IS INTENDED AS A 1 TIME USE MASK, AND NOT FOR CATALYST TYPE HARDENER, AND THEN A BUNCH OF BIG LONG NAMED WORDS I NEVER HOPE TO LEARN.
3M SAYS THE ONLY SAFE METHOD IS A POSITIVE PRESSURE SUPPLIED UNIT. SOME OF YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS.
6) I WILL NOT USE A HARDENER AGAIN , IT SCARED ME THIS TIME.

tHE DR. ALSO SAID THE DAMAGE IS DONE, AND HOPEFULLY THAT I WAS NOT EXPOSED LONG ENOUGH TO CAUSE A LIFE LONG ISSUE.

THE PAINT AND HARDENER I USED WAS: YENKIN-MAJESTIC
PAINT #8-0968 ITS A FORD SAFETY BLUE COLOR
AND REDUCER AND HARDENER WAS FROM SAME COMPANY

Thanks for your concerns, and I know i learned a lesson, I hope other will read about paint products and take all the safety percautions serious. Im feeling much better. thanks again everyone.

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Re: up all night from,,i should know better

Postby Rick Spivey » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:48 pm

Glad you are feeling some better, glad you talked to the Dr., and real glad you are kind enough to post this without fear of ridicule. This is scary stuff, and I know that you just put the respect in me, probably others as well. We used an automotive paint with hardner on Andrew's cub, and I made him wear a mask with carbon filters, but that probably wasn't correct. Luckily we were outdoors in the March winds....

Whew, might have dodged one there!

Get better, Jim!
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Re: up all night from,,i should know better

Postby evielboweviel » Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:23 pm

the damage is done each time you inhale the fumes from the hardner
you may react the first time, the third time, the 20th time
you will show a reaction to it at some time
each time you will react worse to it
you will quit using it when you react or spend the rest of your life regreting using it
the rest of your life may be very, very short
even with an air supplied hood or mask you still will react to it from skin contact
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Re: up all night from,,i should know better

Postby Mr E » Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:37 pm

Jim,
Glad you're feeling better. Wow, Thank you for posting this. I've never used the stuff, but was planning to so in the near future. Now, I don't think so.

I know it took a lot of courage to tell your story, but you may have spared a lot of folks a lot of misery today.


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