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Trailer for hauling the Cub?

Postby allenlook » Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:08 am

I've found a lot of conflicting information in different places, and I can't find an authoritative text anywhere, so I thought I would ask the question...

I want to buy a trailer to haul my lawn tractors and other stuff around, and I want it to be big enough and strong enough to hold the Cub if need be... It won't be used very often, but I want it to be safe when it is used.

How much will the Cub weigh dry, and then how much "wet" (wheel weights, full rear tires w/CaCl, an implement or two)... I found a trailer that's 6x10, single axle, that can hold 2,000 lbs, but that seems to be too little. I would prefer dual axles, brakes, and at least a 3,000 lb capacity, but I'm not certain.
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Postby Bigdog » Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:39 am

While at first I thought it might be overkill, I bought a 16' tandem axle trailer with brakes. The cost of this trailer was not much more than a single axle trailer. It pulls great and has made many cub retrievals without a problem. I can haul 2 cubs and some assorted attachments if need be. It will also easily handle a cub and my golf cart for tractor shows. And, as you can see from the picture, is capable of handling much more.

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Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:42 am

A cub bare will weigh a little over 1200 pounds. Add hydralics, weights, fluid, an attachment, can reach 1500 to 1600, add fluid in tires about another 500 or 600 to that. The 2000 pound trailer will work, but is a minimum. For years I hauled my cub and attachments on a single axle 5x12 trailer, and it was ok for short trips, but I borrowed a friends car hauler for long trips. Positioning was critical. This summer I replaced it with a 6 1/2 x 16 dual axle trailer with 4 wheel brakes. Definitely an improvement. It pulls easier than the single axle did, and I can put 2 cubs, or a cub and golf cart on it. In my part of the country you can buy new ones like it from 750 (no brakes) to 1150 (mine, with 4 wheel brakes, ramps, and slide in storage for ramps) up to as much as 2000 depending on the dealer. For years I got by with whatever used equipment I could find, but now I finally have what I want, except I wish it were about 2 feet longer.

If trailer weight is a concern a newer one will be lighter. My tow vehicle is a 2001 Ranger 4x4 with 4.0 engine, which is rated fro a 5000 pound trailer, so weight is a concern. My new one weighs 1450 pounds, the same size older one weighed 2000. If you do buy a used one be sure to jack up each side and check the rubber bushings on the spring equalizers (dual axles), many of them are worn out.
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Postby allenlook » Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:49 am

I'll be towing with a 2002 F-150 7700 (the upgraded F-150 for plowing and pulling), with the 5.4L Triton V8, so pulling it won't be an issue.

I am just very concerned about overloading a small trailer with the Cub and watching it roll down the road behind me, or worse yet, pass me on the highway!

Cost seems to vary a LOT. I want to pay less than $1,000 for something, and am hoping to get something simple with two axles for that amount of money, although it may be wishful thinking...

How do you tell what a trailer can handle? Is there a standard like GVWR, and if so does it include the weight of the trailer? Some of the I see have tags and some of them don't.
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Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:13 am

A trailer should have a tag on the left (driver's) side of the tongue stating the manufacturer, serial number, and GVWR. The GVWR is normally determined by the axle rating (on my trailer 3500 pounds each). There should also be a metal tag on the axles giving there rating. My trailer has 2 axles rated at 3500 pounds, so my GVWR is 7000. Deduct the 1500 pounds trailer weight, and I have a LEGAL load capacity of 5500. I emphasize legal, because many people go well beyond the reccomended load capacity.
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Postby George Willer » Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:13 am

Allan,

The common trailers have axles rated at 3500#, so a tandem usually would be rated at 7000#, including the weight of the trailer.

I sent you a PM about an extra trailer I have that is nearly identical to Bigdog's... but not the pretty red. I've pulled it in at least 10 states with my 1999 Dodge 1500/318, so I'm sure you are good to go. Don't forget you will have to add an electronic brake controller if you plan to leave your neighborhood.
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Postby Don from Indiana » Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:19 pm

I have a trailer like Bigdog's. Mine has the removable ramps. I would like to load smaller lawnmowers in addition to my cub. What kind of ramp could I use.
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Postby artc » Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:47 pm

I have a trailer like Bigdog's. Mine has the removable ramps. I would like to load smaller lawnmowers in addition to my cub. What kind of ramp could I use.

Don. I modified my flip down ramps so that they would get narrower for loading cub cadets and such. if that doesn't work ,i also have a set of 2 X 8 6 foot planks with the Ramparts type brackets on them to load the pickup with. that's a cheap solution.

a cub /wheel weights and say a c3 mower wet is pushing 2500 lbs, not single axle no brake territory in my book. you'll never regret buying a 7000 lb trailer AND installing a GOOD quality brake controller. Campers World has one at $130 i think, best by far i've used for towing different trailers at different weights because it's so adjustable.
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Postby artc » Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:00 pm

course, GW's trailer is already very good at Cub retrieval :lol: Maybe when you pick it up (the trailer) one of his cubs might just slide on there. George has so many, it'd take a while 'for he missed one :)
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Postby Larry in CO » Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:24 pm

When I started looking for a trailer to haul my H around, I wanted to get the most I could for the money. I found an old fellow that made trailers and went to check them out. He had a 16 footer with tandem 5000 pound axles under it - brakes on both axles for sale. He also had installed a 12,000 pound Bulldog hitch on it that uses a 2 5/16 inch ball. The width was 102 inches to the outside of the axles. The fellow wanted $1900 for it, so I snapped it up. I originally only used it to haul the H around but then I got a Cub also. This past week, I took both the tractors to a show and was able to get both the H and Cub on at the same time. It serves my purposes but I would really like to get a 18 or 20 foot gooseneck.
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Postby allenlook » Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:30 pm

I have access to a big, honkin' trailer, but my intent is really to get a small trailer for hauling small loads, that is just big enough to haul the Cub safely in the event I need to take it in for some kind of service.
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Postby pup » Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:08 pm

I built a 6' X 12 ' with dual axles no brakes. I have towed my cub with no problems at 60 to 70 MPH. Stopping has not been a problem either. I tow with a 1500 chevy. I used it to tow a L2550 Kubota & a 2000 Ford worked well with these also. It is small enought to get around without any problem.
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Postby parts man » Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:20 pm

Allen, if you have a decent road bank or similar nearby, a cub will drive right into the back of a full-size pick-up. We've brought a few home that way. :wink:
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