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Granny no startee :-((((

Postby Rudi » Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:38 pm

Finally got the tranny troubles over with. Am now in the process of soaking the gears with kerosene. Thought I would take her for a spin in the yard - maybe down to the brook and back.

No joy :roll: :cry:

Granny won't start..

She is equipped with the distributor thingy setup. I know less about distributors than I did with mags, if that is possible :?:

Got about 9 volts in the battery. Shows 9 volts at the starter terminal. Have lights - sort of - one bright, one so weak it barely sparks (time for a new seal beam). Turn the key (past ACC and hold) pull on the starter rod - nada, zip, nyet, zero, nothing. Not even a burp!

Where do I start??????

Thanks guys, I appreciate the forthcoming feedback.
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Postby beaconlight » Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:45 pm

9 volts?? Is it a 6 or 12 volt battery????
That is the first thing and it has nothing to do with distributor or mag so far. Neither comes in to the picture till you get the engine to turn over.
You probably have a 12 volt sys and need to charge the battery, the same as you would in your car or pickup. This is the first step. Keep us posted and we will try from what you tell us.

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Postby Bigdog » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:42 pm

I agree with Bill, if you have 9 volts on a 12 volt system that's a place to start. The other thing is if you still have the starter rod setup, why are you holding the switch past the acc position? Just turn it to the on position and pull the rod. Anyway, check your connections to the battery and starter terminals and ground. You can also use jumper cables to bypass your battery cables and see if the problem lies there.
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Postby Rudi » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:47 pm

K:

So 9 volts ain't enough to turn it over. Will put it back on the charger in the morning and see if it wil charge up.
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As for having to hold the key on, it is not a Cub ignition but an automotive ignition. It will not stay in the on position, gotta hold it there to start.

Don't mind the DUMB questions, it took me a long time to figure out the 6 volt mag thing, haven't gotta clue with the distributor. Never could wrap my head around electrical stuff. Oh well, something else to try and learn so more on.....
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Postby Bigdog » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:57 pm

Rudi, I understand that you have an automotive ignition switch. But you do not have a solenoid on the starter do you? If you still have the original starter switch with the pull rod, you should just be able to turn the switch to acc and pull the rod. Holding it in the start position should not be necessary as the switch is not really in the starter circuit, it's just in the ignition circuit. If it will run in the acc position, it will start in the acc position.
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Postby johnbron » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:57 pm

Quote: Have lights - sort of - one bright, one so weak it barely sparks (time for a new seal beam).


Rudi, I doubt your weak light is a bad sealed-beam. I would be looking for a bad ground on the weak light.
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Postby Rudi » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:09 pm

You know, I think you are both right :!: Need to use my head a bit. I think what I will do is check out the wiring, see if I can figure it out, and solve one little problem at a time. Got a couple days yet before Granny has to move out of the shop, so will see what I can do.

BD, ahhh duuuuhhh,,, should have known that! Will try again. Let you know what happens tomorrow.
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Postby Bigdog » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:14 pm

No problem Rudi, we'll work our way through this one.
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Postby Matt Kirsch » Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:16 am

Just FYI Rudi, but a 12V lead-acid battery is considered destroyed if the voltage gets down to 10V. At 9V it has virtually no energy left in it, and as soon as you hit the starter, it'll drop to 0V.

You've either got some bad connections, or that battery is SHOT.
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Postby rocketman » Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:04 pm

Rudi,

Rule of thumb is 9.5 volts minimum to turn a Delco Remy starter.
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Postby Matt Kirsch » Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:10 pm

But like I said, a 12V battery that reads 9 Volts has no poop in it to turn the starter, regardless of how many volts it takes.
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Postby rocketman » Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:14 pm

Agreed. My comment was in support of yours and to let him know what it takes as asked in his original question.
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Postby Rudi » Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:52 pm

Guys:

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :roll: :oops: Man am I embarrassed or what :?: :?: :roll: :oops: :arrow:

Put the battery on the charger. Nada... not taking the charge at all. Battery is definitely TOAST :!:

Found the battery from my old Plymouth Voyager - it was hiding in the shop under a bunch of stuff. Stuck it up on the floor pan, connected the leads, hooked up the battery charger and tried it. :roll: Didn't need the battery charger.

Granny started right up. She ain't running like Ellie, but she is running.

Got on up, pushed in the clutch, shifted into 1st gear and off out of the shop we went!

Geez, I am learnin stuff :!: :idea: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby beaconlight » Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:48 pm

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Postby Bruce Sanford » Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:59 pm

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Glad to here you have got up and going again.Must have been a dead cell in the battery if it wouldn!t take a charge. :) I still do not have your item finished yet, I am busy staining the house. So I work on your!s on rainy days.
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