Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:12 pm
I bought my Victor torch from Jim Foose. One of the best investment you can buy. I agree - get the full sized tanks or you'll always be empty when you need them.
Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:48 pm
I'm not sure if it's a Maine state law or a federal law but here you can't own a big cylinder. Rule of thumb is if the cylinder is taller than your knee it requires a lease. It supposed to be so they can keep the cylinder maintained.I own the knee high cylinder for my torches and argon for my mig welder. As someone mentioned you will always run out on Saturday morning!
For cutting they make a big mess that requires a lot of grinder work. Unless you're real good.
Some asked about using propane as a fuel. There is a chart on the web that actually shows the comparison between propane and acetylene. It all involves the size of flame cone. Propane is hotter than acetylene by quite a bit. The difference is the cone length.(Blue flame) You will have a cleaner cut using acetylene than propane. If your only interested in heating metal then propane is a better choice.
Make share that if you are doing any cutting do so with with proper ventilation.
Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:03 pm
I was a driver at a welding supply store and testing was free when you own your tanks provided they are the type of tanks the store sold, if you came in with an odd duck type tank and it was out of test date they would either try to sell you new tanks or send your tank out for testing at a charge , but you would go home with out gas cause there is no exchange for an odd duck tank,,,,,, its best to go to your local welding supply store and see what the situation is for you.
Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:43 am
Buy a new torch set and rent the tanks.
Repairing a torch set will cost as much as a new set. And if a tank dosn't pass the test.
Northerntool lists a basic Victor style torch kit for $129.99 including hoses and regulators.
Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:21 am
I've had my Harris torch set for over 35yrs. and it's served me well. I'm a bit leary of a used set, unless I can see it in action. It's probably going to need new tips and so on. If you're considering the used set, with tanks, make sure you can exchange them at a local supplier. I have owned my tanks for as long as I have had the torch and used to exchange them at a local welding supplier, but a few years ago, they closed up shop which left many of us out in the cold. Fortunately, the local NAPA picked them up so now I exchange those same tanks there. I'm very much in favor of tank ownership. there will be considerably more cash outlay up front but none down the road and no confusing rental plans to worry about. I don't know about PA. but in Ohio we can own the larger tanks, must be an oddball thing in Maine.
Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:22 am
everyone for sharing your experience and thoughts.
I got a great education in a day's time...
Based on all the comments, I have decided to go with a full size setup.
[If it's not as portable as I like, I can have fun building a custom cart
It seems the $$ difference between used and new outfits [torch-gauges-hoses] is not enough to risk buying used...
So unless I come across a set from a seller I can trust, probably will buy new.
Will check with the local welding
supply houses for tank options.
Would like to explore the propane/oxygen route as I just found 2 industrial-looking propane tanks in a house some tenants skipped from...one is 3/4 full.
Thanks again guys for all for your help.
Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:21 am
If you buy new please get a Victor, Smith or Harris [ I forgot about Harris ] and am not sure if they are still in business, the look alike sets are trouble in my opinion. And you get what you pay for. A good set will be in the neighborhood of $400
Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:55 am
I had 25 year lease on Airco tanks, because at that time they would not sell them. After 25 years I had the option to buy or turn the tanks in. I bought the tanks. I now have proof of purchase, I or my estate can sell tanks. I felt I paid twice for tanks but that was policy at that time. I live three miles from the supplier, convenience is worth something. Message is, tkink twice before you lease.
Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:12 pm
I'd also go for the bigger tanks. I don't have the largest ones. I own the gauges and hoses and torches,Smith I think. I dont know about where you are BOSS HOG but I pay about $125 for a 15 year lease. My welding supplier owns the tanks and is responsible for the inspections. I pay for the refills is all. I still enjoy welding with OXy-Acetylene . I did go to Harbor Freight and Spring for one of those bicycle wheel carts.
Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:51 pm
mikethefixitman1 wrote:I'd also go for the bigger tanks. I don't have the largest ones. I own the gauges and hoses and torches,Smith I think. I dont know about where you are BOSS HOG but I pay about $125 for a 15 year lease. My welding supplier owns the tanks and is responsible for the inspections. I pay for the refills is all. I still enjoy welding with OXy-Acetylene . I did go to Harbor Freight and Spring for one of those bicycle wheel carts.
I am in Va I had a lifetime lease then I found out a lifetime lease was for 25 years
Since then I only lease them by the year as I dont use over a tank of each per year any more , the $125 was for the year lease and full tanks that was about 4 or 5 years ago I am not sure what the lease is just for the tanks now but $125 would not be far off But I do not think you will lease 2 big Tanks here for 15 years for $125
Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:46 pm
My air tank is about 4' tall and my accet. tank about 3' I had them both inspected for around $30.00 . I am looking for another set for a back up so as when they go low or run out I don't have to fret.I have separate torches for propane and accet. Just lucked up on the propane torch. If you have any amish around back in the country starting up a business , they can be very reasonable and quite cut and dry on what you can and can not do.
Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:27 am
Not as wise as the others about such things but.... I got the 'tiny' Victor setup with the tanks for $250 from the local Airco (AirGas?) place (I was lucky that day). Great price, especially cause he threw in the full tanks! Not positive, but I would think the regulators, hoses, etc would work on a full size setup. So for a little more money you could have a dual use out of the deal if you got the large tanks separately. Just a thought. http://weldingsupply.com/cgi-bin/enlarg ... able+Torch
Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:49 pm
never get a tiny little torch set. They are a wast of time.cost as much to fill little tank as a larger tank. I know from experionce! You can get a decent ued set on craigs list or at auction for around 200 to 300 bucks. with tanks and cart. who ever has the posession of the tanks these days are the owners. Atleast around here anyway. I have no problem getting tanks filled..Use to be all tanks were titled but it got way too expensiveto keep track of them all. The regulator for a propane is the same for any kind of gas. Pressure is pressure. If the regulator didnt work then i suspect to wrong tip was used. Different gasses may need different tips.
Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:44 pm
I have been watching this thread with interest. I want to eventually get a blue tip wrench.... so I will continue to absorb what you guys have gained in experience. Then when I take the welding
course in February.. my fingers are crossed that I get to register.. it is a pretty popular course .... I might actually have a clue as to what would be best around here. Knowledge is always a good thing to have. Thanks for the info so far
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