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Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby Winfield Dave » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:48 pm

I went to pick up my latest Cub today...it was supposed to be a runner when it was parked 5 months ago...
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Any way...when I went to winch it up on the trailer the back wheels wouldn't turn...they just slide on the ground.
I checked to make sure it was in neutral...it was [kinda hard to tell - shifter is sloppy]
We tried pulling it to work the wheels free but no luck.
Pulled off the shifter cover:
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Everything was stiff...it seemed like the fingers weren't sliding on the rails, just the rails sliding forward and backward.

Jacked up the rear end...the wheels would turn in opposite directions only...never both in the same direction.
Pulled the rear cover off the transmission:
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the oil?? was like real "loose" cement.

I need your help...I'm new in the transmission arena...
I can't get this home until I get the wheels turning.

Thanks in advance guys.
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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby Don McCombs » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:53 pm

There is likely ice in the bottom of the transmission or in the finals. You'll have to get it melted to move the tractor.
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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby Yogie » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:58 pm

Don McCombs wrote:There is likely ice in the bottom of the transmission or in the finals. You'll have to get it melted to move the tractor.

Just what I was thinking when I read the posting. Tarp it and get some heat under there some way to warm it up a bit. I wouldn't force it much until then for fear of braking something inside.
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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby Paul B » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:59 pm

The rails are suppose to slide back and forth, the "fingers" are not suppose to slide on the rails. Under all the gunk and oil you probably have some that northern "hard water" AKA, ice that is preventing the wheels from rolling because it has frozen the pinion shaft and lower gears in the transmission. Put some heat on the bottom of the trans case and drain the water, and then you can probably move it.
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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby Don McCombs » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:02 pm

Yogie wrote:Tarp it and get some heat under there some way to warm it up a bit.

A 100 watt bulb should do the job.
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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby Boss Hog » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:10 pm

count on doing some heavy duty trans work to get the{ normal some say not me :D ] noise out
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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby Winfield Dave » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:13 pm

Paul B wrote:The rails are suppose to slide back and forth, the "fingers" are not suppose to slide on the rails.

Thanks Paul.
Paul B wrote:because it has frozen the pinion shaft and lower gears in the transmission.

Should any of the gears turn freely when normal [not frozen]?
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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby Barnyard » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:13 pm

If it isn't iced up try to jiggle those shift fingers and get them totally in line. They look just a small bit out of line. Probably not be enough to lock between gears but every attempt helps. If your rear wheels are turning in opposite directions as you say, then something is freed up inside.
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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby Steve Butram » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:14 pm

if it is not ice. You may have both shifter forks in the forward position
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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby ricky racer » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:23 pm

You must have been a good boy this year, Dave! Santa brought you another "new" Cub!! :{_}:

I agree with the others. Put some heat under the rear end and try again. It will take a while to thaw out any ice inside. If you use a light bulb, put it close to the area where you suspect the ice to be and cover it up with a tarp and leave it for a day or two to thaw out. A salamander or other heater will work quicker but it will still require some time for the ice to melt. You may want to put a bucket under it and drain out the oil and leave the plug out until you get it home.

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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby tst » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:43 pm

Dave, I had the same thing happen a week ago when i went to move a cub that was outdoors, i jacked up the back end and with two of us trying to turn each of the tires by hand and it broke free after about 10 seconds of that
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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby dennisbushnell » Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:26 pm

Pinion shaft is frozen in ice this is why the wheels are turning in opposiate directions
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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby grumpy » Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:55 pm

When ya get it home take a better pic of the cultivators if you would please. Good luck Thanks Grump
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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby Virginia Mike » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:52 pm

Cover the rear end with a tarp and point a jet heater under it from several feet away. Wait a few hours.
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Re: Rear wheels won't turn - HELP

Postby Bigdog » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:55 pm

Since the wheels turn you at least know the finals aren't frozen.
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