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George Willer wrote:papermaker wrote:So what I have gathered is not to use a hardener because of health concerns. Correct? Would it be safe if I used just the paint/thinner as long as I use a respirator ? What would be the recommended respirator?
You have the idea! Of course the hardener makes the paint harder... and also makes it a bit easier for a novice to use. Here's the bottom line... I'd trade all the tractors I've painted for a good set of lungs. Hardener isn't really necessary for a good paint job.
Here are some of my early paint jobs...
George Willer wrote:Landreo wrote:The paint I typically use is not 8:1. Inexpensive alkyd enamels may be but acrylic and urethane may not be. The arylic enamels I use are 8:2:1 ratio. Check with the manufacturer for sure. Hardeners are not as lethal as some would have you to believe but you may be the one who is allergic or suseptable to pulmonary fibrosis. Play it safe if you are not a risk taker. if you are concerned about your health when using hardners then you also should be concerned about your family and neighbor's health. They also may be exposed to fumes and overspray while using hardeners.
That's what I thought too. It's like playing Russial roulette... and I lost. There's no way to know until it's too late. That's why I now spend a lot of time (like right now) breathing medication from a nebulizer so I can keep on breathing.
PLEASE DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE I DID... IT'S TOO COSTLY! NO PAINT JOB IS WORTH THE RISK.
George Willer wrote:annaillinois wrote:Thanks guys i will ponder on this a bit and probably just go with the paint without the hardener.
Good for you, Terry! As one who suffers from serious lung disease, I can tell you the advantages of using hardener aren't worth the health risk just to have a shiney paint job. There are paints such as IH 2150 that don't really need hardener and can result in a show quality product.
George Willer wrote:Barney,
DON'T EVEN CONSIDER USING ANYTHING BUT AN EXTERNALLY SUPPLIED MASK IF YOU USE HARDENER.
I had to learn the hard way. The medications I have to use cost a small fortune just to keep breathing. No more hardener here... EVER!
Charcoal filters are worthless for use with modern paints.
Don McCombs wrote:George is absolutely correct. The charcoal filters will NOT protect you from VOC's or isocyanates. They filter only particulates. Use ONLY a supplied air system with a mask and hood. Your lungs aren't the only port of entry for these contaminants. Don't risk your health for a few dollars. If you don't want to buy the right equipment, have someone else do the painting.
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