Cub Database Update

[RaymondDurban]

Many of you know that I have been gathering information for a revision of the Database that Trent started. I'm ready to press forward with this but wanted to put an open call out before the next revision is released. I've gathered quite a bit of info recently and wanted to give others a chance to have their info included as well.

What I need to have a good usable entry is two good data points about your tractor. Preferably at least the Tractor SN and Engine SN. This could also include that the tractor has been parted out, or that it's a LoBoy roadside version, or has a Auburn trencher. Or you can send me every cast code on the tractor!

Also, if you have provided info before, but you don't see it currently, please provide it again and I'll be sure to include it.

I'll also be adding a section for the Numbered Series LoBoys and one for Power Units. The Power Units I'm especially interested in due to a hunch I have about their production and how they effected the tractor engine SN's.

Your name and location will not be included in the database for privacy reasons. So, you'll not be tied to your tractors information unless you out yourself here on the forum.

Have a look at the current version here: http://www.cleancomputes.com/Cub/Cub%20 ... ase_R2.pdf

For those that have been involved in this project before, you can attest to the value of such a tool that Trent started. I hope we can continue to grow the number of tractors represented and continue to unravel the secrets of these great machines!
You can post information here on the open forum, or you can PM it to me, or email me at ohyeah76(at)yahoo.com

[bob in CT]

This has proved to be a terrific resource for us in many discussions. I had a lot of fun crawling around getting casting numbers. You can't get them all unless you take everything apart, but every little bit helps and along the way you may learn a few things about the history of your tractor. A big thanks to Trent who had the idea to put this together and put a LOT of effort into data collection and entry and a big thanks to Raymond who has generously volunteered to carry the torch. So many have volunteered their time here to bring you a great Cub forum with how-to's, manuals, databases, part numbers and so much more. Please volunteer a little of your time to help make the database an even better resource than it already is.

[Johnk454]

Here:

Year 1952 (mid December?)
Tractor Ser. # 161037J
Engine Ser. # M164141
Eng. Block Part # 251341 R6
Eng. Block Date 11-28-X
Eng. Cover Part # 351674 R1
Cyl. Head Part #
Bolster Part # 350886 R2
Torq. Tube Part # 351686 R2
Torq. Tube Date 8-29-X
Trans. Part # 351530 R3
Trans. Date 6-12-X
Axle Tube Part # 350798 R1
Axle Tube Date 9-9-X
Left Final Part # 350806 R3
Left Final Date 8-5-X
Right Final Part # 350808 R3
Right Final Date 11-25-X
TC Part # 354383 R3
TC Date 11-26-X

[RaymondDurban]

Thanks! I'll get your numbers added tonight!

[CapeCodCubs]

My new Cub is 116747...will get the casting codes, all should match.

[Bob Perry]

I'll try to do some numbers for you too, Raymond.

I have not read much about the database in the past, but the first thing that comes to my mind, is that, given that they are so old, given that they are so darned fragile and overworked, and given that farmers are resourceful creatures by their very nature, there must be a lot of Cubs that are a hodge-podge of several tractors, so if I go get a bunch of numbers off the 6 Cubs out in the barn, I'd imagine that there's quite a number of swapped parts on them, I guess I was curious how this is all sorted out.

Thanks for all the work you are doing.

[Jim Becker]

Bob,
The best that can be done is to record what we actually find. Interpreting the data is another question. That part of things is subject to reinterpretation as we gather more data. For example, you might find a tractor with front bolster with a date code 3 months newer than the others on the same tractor. One could reasonably conclude it had been replaced. Then if we run across several more tractors of the same age with the same 3 month difference, we might change our minds and conclude the bolster supply fell behind and they came from the factory that way. (This is just a hypothetical example).

There is a place in the database for adding notes for each tractor. If some of the date coded parts are known to have been changed, that information can be passed along with the rest of the data on any tractor. You mught want to look at the database and scan down through some of the existing comments. One I think is interesting is that serial number 224890 has a serial number plate that reads "McCormick Farmall Cub", nearly 200 tractors after they became "International Cub" on the decals.

[Eugene]

154 Cub Low-boy, 1974. Eugene owner.
Tractor SN: 032787.
Block date code: 3-13-X.
Block SN: 60CI 2U299148X (poorly stamped – X could be a Y)
Block part #: 251341-R8.
Head part #: 355681-R2
Head date code: 3-13-X.

Question. Do you want or need the part numbers and cast date code for the trans/differential and creeper gear?

[Bob Perry]

Thanks for the explanation, Jim.

[Cubota]

This tractor was bought new by my wife's grandfather and all castings are original to the tractor. I cannot read the serial number of the motor.

serial number 97132
engine 11.29.S
torque tube 11.17.S
transmission 12.5.S
right final drive 11.18.S
left final drive 11.17.S
touch control 5.27.S

[RaymondDurban]

Question. Do you want or need the part numbers and cast date code for the trans/differential and creeper gear?

Eugene,
If you can get to the trans and creeper, that'll be great, but don't go out of the way or start taking things apart.
Thanks,
Raymond

[RaymondDurban]

This tractor was bought new by my wife's grandfather and all castings are original to the tractor. I cannot read the serial number of the motor.

Got it recorded, Thanks! If you make out the EngSN at a later time, you can send it to me and I'll add it later.

[wfmdfm]

Will you be using the current info on the Cub Registry link at the top of the page? My info is there but not on the attached sample.
Wally

[RaymondDurban]

I'll try to do some numbers for you too, Raymond.

I have not read much about the database in the past, but the first thing that comes to my mind, is that, given that they are so old, given that they are so darned fragile and overworked, and given that farmers are resourceful creatures by their very nature, there must be a lot of Cubs that are a hodge-podge of several tractors, so if I go get a bunch of numbers off the 6 Cubs out in the barn, I'd imagine that there's quite a number of swapped parts on them, I guess I was curious how this is all sorted out. ...

Bob,
I know Jim pretty much summed it all up above, but I wanted to give a glimpse of what I've got and how everything will show up with the next release...

Database Screen Shot

You can see in the pic that I have a few numbers in red. These items are known to be replaced. Marking them in red just makes them stand out, as well as the "Notes" that accompany the entry. With the number of tractors that are listed on the page, other than the two lines with red entries, things pretty much fall in line and order. If something doesn't, its pretty obvious when compared with other tractors of the same lineage.
Also, you can see that by including as much information as possible, we can know that the Cub SN 54606 has not only had a replacement engine, but its out of some model power unit, even though that information wasn't provided to me by the owner. We can tell this by the engine SN, cast code and part number. I don't know who the owner of this particular tractor is, but if they were to go look at the engine SN, I guarantee it would have IMCUBM in front of it (instead of FCUBM). Tractor SN 65837 also has had the engine changed, but looking at the engine SN, cast code and PN, we can tell it came out of a 1976 tractor (either FCUB or 185 LoBoy).
There are all kinds of used for the database, this is just one!

[CapeCodCubs]

What happened to Trent McPeak, btw?