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Plow Question

Postby gpcubboy » Thu May 16, 2013 10:34 pm

I grew up following my grandfathers instructions and other neighbors I worked for plowing, chiseling, ripping, disking etc. However, I never questioned it but my grandfather on his cub plow had two wheel weights bolted on the beam of the plow and an old dragline tooth wired to it. He said it made it plow better. To me depth is controlled by the depth lever and the tractor has fluid in the tires why would he need the weight is this a dumb question? You can see photo in this post as well as some in another with me plowing with it. I only ever plowed with it a couple of times following his instructions. I am thinking about removing both of them can anyone tell me any reason why not to remove them? I have done more chiseling, ripping, disking etc. with larger equipment.
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Re: Plow Question

Postby twotone » Fri May 17, 2013 2:02 am

I've never needed weights on my 193 plow, and that's plowing Illinois Gumbo. If I push the plow lever all the way forward, it plows real deep, too deep actually.
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Re: Plow Question

Postby Scrivet » Fri May 17, 2013 7:21 am

I would think the weights are there for one of two reasons. Grandpa THOUGHT they made it plow better (placebo effect). Or the weights do make it plow better because the plow isn't setup quite right. There are a few adjustments and a lot to take into account other than just bolting it on and start plowing. Maybe grandpa didn't know about some of the adjustments and adding the weight compensated for them being a little off. Check out this great description from the Implement How To section.

http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=149&t=38411

For me, if grandpa put them there, I'd have a very hard time taking them off for any reason.

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Re: Plow Question

Postby ScottyD'sdad » Fri May 17, 2013 7:36 am

My father wouldn't take the coulters off his plows, even though they prevented the plow from sinking into the rocky land. He added weight. (didn't help) Wouldn't remove the coulters, because the plows "came that way". I finally bought a cub plow, without a coulter, at an auction, and used it, just as it came. Worked much better. (Must be, because it "came that way" Ed
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Re: Plow Question

Postby Tezell » Fri May 17, 2013 7:49 am

Like they said, If it is set up right I do not think you need the weight.

If you take off the weight let us know how it turns out.
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Re: Plow Question

Postby twotone » Fri May 17, 2013 8:02 am

My 193 has coulter and jointer, and like I said, with the handle all the way forward, it goes too deep.
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Re: Plow Question

Postby Bill Hudson » Fri May 17, 2013 8:21 am

Chris,

A properly adjusted plow with a good point and share will not need additional weight to make it work. Post some more pics (front, back, side) of the plow attached to the Cub. We can look for potential problems.

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Re: Plow Question

Postby ScottyD'sdad » Fri May 17, 2013 10:20 am

Post some good pictures. Bill is the go to man, for plow issues! If he can't make it plow, send it to China! Ed
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Re: Plow Question

Postby Matt Kirsch » Fri May 17, 2013 1:26 pm

If the share is worn out and dull, it will not want to dig in no matter what you do.

One "clever" solution is to force it into the ground by adding weight. I've seen people standing on top of the plow beams trying to force them into the ground, as well as having slabs of iron, chunks of concrete, or even large rocks strapped on.

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Re: Plow Question

Postby Peter Person » Fri May 17, 2013 3:53 pm

Matt Kirsch wrote:If the share is worn out and dull, it will not want to dig in no matter what you do.

One "clever" solution is to force it into the ground by adding weight. I've seen people standing on top of the plow beams trying to force them into the ground, as well as having slabs of iron, chunks of concrete, or even large rocks strapped on.


Matt,

I learned that lesson at CubFest 2006.
Here is what the share & point looked like on my FH Plow with the new parts lined up behind.
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Re: Plow Question

Postby iosco cub » Fri May 17, 2013 4:28 pm

Gentalmen. Is a colter nessessary for plowing? I have a 194 but no colter. Thanks Greg

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Re: Plow Question

Postby Denny Clayton » Fri May 17, 2013 5:36 pm

iosco cub wrote:Gentalmen. Is a colter nessessary for plowing? I have a 194 but no colter. Thanks Greg

Not necessary.
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Re: Plow Question

Postby Bill Hudson » Fri May 17, 2013 6:56 pm

Denny Clayton wrote:
iosco cub wrote:Gentalmen. Is a colter nessessary for plowing? I have a 194 but no colter. Thanks Greg

Not necessary.


Denny is absolutely correct, however, a coulter is very desirable in some situations. Plowing corn stalks that have not been chopped comes readily to mind. After about the third or fourth time you have to get off and remove the accumulated stalks you will be wanting a notched coulter pretty quick. Anytime you are plowing under heavy trash, a notched coulter reduces the amount of plugging dramatically.

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Re: Plow Question

Postby v w » Fri May 17, 2013 9:02 pm

The weight I don't know about. I have never seen anyone weight a plow. On the question of a coulter it is easy to plow without one but I never will. A cleaner job of plowing can be gotten by cutting stalks and the plowing of sod. If you don't want it turned under why plow? Farmers here today do not plow much prefering to simply chisel. A joiner improves the covering but must be set right. The best and cleanest job of plowing we did was with a Lantz coulter which I haven't seen in 50 years. They consisted of the normal coulter with what would look like a small disc plow mounted alongside of it in the normal place ahead of the moldboard. These did take some power to pull. I doubt it takes anymore power to pull a properly set coulter set a couple of inches deep in a heavy sod than it does to rip the sod apart with the moldboard. Vern

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Re: Plow Question

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Sun May 19, 2013 1:09 pm

One reason, as has been mentioned is that at one time the point was worn down and it would not go down properly. The point may have been replaced and the weights never removed. I guarany, the weights would not have made it better if you had a hand lift. :lol: One thing they may have done though is make it get to depth quicker, because unless you make a cross the end starting furrow, the plow takes up to 4 feet to get to depth on it's own.
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