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My "starting in cold weather" solution "update"

Postby cub.bub » Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:11 pm

After reading the post a few times and having to start my 55 Cub in -5 degree weather I started thinking of ways to heat the old gal up. I decided that pouring hot water on the carb was out, didn't like the idea of a heat lamp under the engine compartment due to the occasional oil drip, and I wasn't sure a magnetic heater on the oil pan would do what I was after. I looked at the oil dip stick heater and again I was fearful of overheat, cooking the oil, and the hassle. I looked around for a "block heater" of a size that would work on the lower water inlet, Not the drain boss, because the heating element would reduce water flow and I saw a problem with the length.
After some research and reviewing photos of the engine block and where the lower water inlet attaches I thought I'd give this a try. I took some 1" round stock (an old draw bar pin) and drilled up to a 9/16" hole approx 1 3/4" deep, tapped 3/8" npt and I bought a lower inlet to practice on so I could still push snow and have no/minimal downtime, I then determined the angle to cut the round stock and ground to fit the water inlet. Laying this out determined where to enter water inlet and still enter block and not interfere with the distributor. Well long story short.....(too late) I think it's going to work.
I'll try to attach a few photos, and will be awaiting your responses like road kill awaiting the crows. :lol:
Thanks to this forum and all the knowledge shared I took on this challenge Bruce.
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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:37 pm

That is an interesting solution. I don't think using the drain location would be a problem for reducing water flow enough to matter. Clearance certainly could be a problem, depending on the size/shape of the heating element. I think the main advantage of your installation is that it will be heating directly into the block. Mounting in the drain would allow more heat into the radiator where it would do you no good. Heat from your location will only get to the radiator if it heats enough to start the coolant circulating.

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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby BigBill » Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:46 pm

I think someone offers a coolant heater with a circulator pump.

Remember to run winter weight oil in your tractors. The 6volt system requires the engine to be tuned right on the money.

I was weened on six volt gm trucks. I loved it when a passenger freaked out as it turns over very slow. Me and my dad would laugh at them. My dad was an old Babbitt bearing guy.
They would start up every time.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.

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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby cub.bub » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:11 pm

The block heater will enter into the block about 2", I'm thinking it being a 400 watt element it should heat up nicely. My cub has started fine, the big test was 7 below, I just wanted to reduce the warm up time and with a welding blanket over the hood should hold heat in and help with warming the hydraulic a little. The 400 watt block heater was bought from the Case dealer, it is used in several of their units and it cost $44.00 with shipping and I paid $10.00 for the water inlet, so I figured I give it a try.

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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby Bill Hudson » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:31 pm

Cub.bud,

Very well done! Inquiring minds want to know, part number for the heating element. Thanks.

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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby cub.bub » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:42 pm

Bill, the block heater MPN is A44815 A40637. It was NOS sold on eBay they fit Case models 430,470,480,530 and others.
I also saw Kat block heaters with the same dimensions but cost $69.00 plus the ride. I'll send John Saeli an e-mail and see if he has any more at the $44.00 price?
Hope this helps? If not pm me.
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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby Doodle » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:01 pm

Nice, if I'm understanding correctly a 3/8 npt coupler would work? What type of welder did you use?

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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby ricky racer » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:23 pm

Great job, Bruce. Very well thought out and executed. It looks nice and clean, very "factory" looking. :wink: Anytime you can make a modification and most people won't notice it assuming it is a factory installation, it's very well done. :wink:

Is it possible to plug it into a thermostat type switch that will only apply power to the heater when the temperature drops to a certain pre-set temperature range?

My guess is, like Jim suggested, as the water in the block gets heated, it will circulate and warm the entire cooling system. I like it....
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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby Bill Hudson » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:05 pm

Thanks, Bruce.

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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby cub.bub » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:29 pm

Bill, and all.
I called John and he tries to keep 5 or 6 on the shelf at all times. (hot item) ....no pun intended :lol: If you call him direct at 315-585-9826 he can save ya some money.
also another picture of element.
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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby cub.bub » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:16 am

Well, I had time to install the block heater, it actually went as planed except if I were to do it again i would increase the angle a bit to clear the distributor clamp. It clears now, just a little tight.
I filled her back up...no leaks :{_}: and plugged it in. in about 20 min I could feel temp warm up on the other side of the block, good sign. In all the excitement I forgot about dinner until the wife pulled me off my project.
Her priorities are a little different than mine. :oops:
A few more pics and I'll leave ya alone.
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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby Smokeycub » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:15 am

Well done Bruce! I like it! As you said it's probably better than the oil dip stick heaters and the magnetic oil pan style, not to mention it looks real nice. Does that heater have any sort of thermostatic control built in it?
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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby cub.bub » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:24 am

Smokey, No it does not have a thermostat control, Ricky Racer mentioned of a in line stat that would probably work. I think I will just plug it in an hour or so before needed, or hook it to a timer that will turn it on in the morning or at night (after work) when they are predicting snow. I am still experimenting with the amount of time needed to warm up. It was a fun project, now if I run across a deal on a rear rock shaft and rod, I plan on making a "carry all".
It's nice to look at the projects others have done on this site and make some adjustments to meet your needs or make it from what you have laying around in the shop. Being I'm somewhat tight with the wallet. :wink:

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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby Stanton » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:40 am

Awesome job! It has a factory installed appearance as others have noted. You did a good job and I'd think all the Cubbers in cold climes would be very interested in this mod.

Thanks! :coffee:
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Re: My "starting in cold weather" solution

Postby danovercash » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:47 am

Very nice, not cold enough here to need one. I like the way it was done, looks factory.
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