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Added a Cub to the team

Postby Secesh » Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:50 pm

Farmgirl Susie found a '50 Cub with all the cultivator rigs and hillers included. We took the gooseneck down and hauled it home last week. There are two mounting holes damaged, so I will be swapping the final drives side to side. Near as I can tell, it is not imperative to do anything to the axles, since we won't be running a planter or side-dresser.
Let me know if I'm about to get into trouble. Looks like a fairly simple job and should give a chance to have a look at the brakes too. Kinda cool seeing that little red tractor nestled in the shed among all that blue.
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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby Bob McCarty » Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:59 pm

If the threads are stripped out, you can use a helicoil or ez-sert to restore the threads. If the boss is cracked away, then the swap is a better idea.

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Edit: I think there is a "how to" that may be helpful in swapping the differential shafts.
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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby gitractorman » Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:08 pm

Yea, I'd throw helicoils in it before going for the swap. Swapping the final drives is one of those projects that turns into, "well, since I'm here I might as well do this..... and this...... and this....."
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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:58 pm

I am with the others about putting in Helicoils, but if you do swap them, you will have to change the top shafts, reverse the brakes (linkage will be facing the wrong way), plus you will have the planter drive on the wrong side which I assume you realized since you mentioned not using a planter. It would be a good time to replace the seals in final and on the sides of the transmission.
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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby Secesh » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:51 am

Thanks guys! These two mounting holes on the lower right are the only damaged ones, but what a job was done on 'em. They've been bored and re-threaded to 3/4", and then wallowed out again. The transmission is FULL of gear oil, so the brakes need cleaning at the very least, but I guess full of lube is better than the alternative.
This is our first venture away from Dearborn or Basildon; should be very interesting.

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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby gitractorman » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:56 am

If it's only the right final drive, I would probably consider purchasing a new drive housing rather than swapping sides. In the long run it is a much wiser choice, and it will likely take less effort to put together a new housing than to reverse all the parts necessary to swap the housings from side to side.
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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby Barnyard » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:01 am

Secesh wrote:The transmission is FULL of gear oil,

If that gear oil looks more like a milk shake than it does gear oil, it is quite possible it is full of water. Cub transmissions are notorious for water accumulation there. You would be best to drain the trans, fill it with 3 1/2 pints of diesel, drive it around about five minutes, drain it again and refill with 3 1/2 pints of gear oil or hy-tran.
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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby Buzzard Wing » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:15 am

gitractorman wrote: Swapping the final drives is one of those projects that turns into, "well, since I'm here I might as well do this..... and this...... and this....."


Yep Bill.... It's what I call the 'Mushroom Theory'.
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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby Secesh » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:13 pm

I'd dearly love to simply replace the damaged casting with a new one. Be a whole bunch less heavy metal to sling around. BUT, so far can't find a new one. Search not finding any used ones either at the moment. Maybe I am using the wrong search engine. I am sure that at the very instant that I finish swapping them around, someone will offer new castings at a buy one, get one free, price, and free overnight shipping. That's how it usually works.
I'd probably end up taking it apart anyway, just to see what makes it tick. I split the '50 8N just to have a look at the Sherman creeper.

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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby Mike in Louisiana » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:05 am

Secesh wrote:I'd dearly love to simply replace the damaged casting with a new one. BUT, so far can't find a new one. Search not finding any used ones either at the moment. Maybe I am using the wrong search engine .


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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby Barnyard » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:23 am

Place an ad in the vine. I'm sure there are plenty out there.
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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby Don McCombs » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:25 am

Secesh wrote:I'd dearly love to simply replace the damaged casting with a new one. BUT, so far can't find a new one.

Check with Boss Hog (David Bennett). He's South of Lynchburg. You can PM him here on the forum.
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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby Secesh » Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:08 pm

I'll give that a try. The transmission did have a quantity of H2O in it. It was slushy this AM when the plug was removed, but sometime during the day as the temp rose it drained out. I flatted a tire on the 5030 trying to put out round bales this morning; frozen ruts are awful hard on the machinery. Had to fix that just to finish feeding, so I didn't get much time to look in on the Cub. Tomorrow's weather doesn't sound very nice and what moisture there is remaining in the gearbox will be in solid form, so it may be a while before I can move ahead. I remember the gearbox on the '42 WC Dodge that I used to have. It was full of water and immoveable. That one got filled with brake fluid and shelved for a couple of months while I rebuilt the engine. Worked like I was told it would. I never did get that crunch box shift process down very well before I traded it off and bought another tractor.

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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby Buzzard Wing » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:33 pm

Water in the tranny is common on a Cub. Water is bad for bearings, but unless they are 'bad' it will still work pretty well. A bucket over the shifter may help if it's outside. Yank the shifter and you will get a decent view of the condition of things.
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Re: Added a Cub to the team

Postby Thackery » Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:15 pm

I drained a transmission on a Cub LoBoy, it was full of some nasty stuff. I drained it when it was just above freezing.
I let the drain plug out and it came out like molasses. When I went back to check on it after a few days, I picked up the drain pan to dump it and the stuff would not budge. It was in the 20's that day.
I waited until it was warmer weather and cleaned out the remaining sludge and refilled.

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