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1958 Cub Wagner Loader

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1958 LoBoy w/ Wagner 45 Loader
1952 Cub w/ Woods 48" Bush Hog
1948 Super A w/ Finish Mower
1944 A w/ 3 Point Hitch
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Central Florida

Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby LeoM » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:12 am

While reading the manual I discovered that the model number that I previously stated is incorrect. That number was on the bucket tilt actuator. The loader I D tag is supposed to be on the right side frame near the raise/lower pivot point. I don't remember seeing 1 but I will scrape some paint in the morning. Also on the front cover is an illustration showing some of the dimensional differences between a standard cub and a LoBoy.

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LeoM
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Posts: 137
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:02 pm
Zip Code: 32713
Tractors Owned: FARMALL FORUM
1966 Cub w/ IH 1000 Loader
1958 LoBoy w/ Wagner 45 Loader
1952 Cub w/ Woods 48" Bush Hog
1948 Super A w/ Finish Mower
1944 A w/ 3 Point Hitch
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Central Florida

Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby LeoM » Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:23 am

While reading the manual Barnyard found I discovered that I read the wrong serial number. The tag that I previously read is on the bucket tilt actuator. The manual shows the loader I D Tag on the frame right side top. It was painted over but the model # was stamped 45 L which indicates that it was built for a LoBoy and not modified as I previously suspected. All other information was apparently painted not stamped and is gone.

The manual has a very detailed drawing and description of all the hydraulic lines and connections which I copied and took to the hydraulic shop. Price quote for 13 lines and new fittings is $240. I think that is very reasonable. Probably less than the fluid I need to buy.

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Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby Puffie40 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:26 pm

When draining the hydraulic oil, work as much oil out as you can. Pump the cylinders and disconnect hydraulic lines if necessary. Otherwise any new oil you put in will wind up contaminated.

I would take a very close look at the seal glands on the cylinders as well. If they leak, water can easily get in too.

LeoM
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Posts: 137
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:02 pm
Zip Code: 32713
Tractors Owned: FARMALL FORUM
1966 Cub w/ IH 1000 Loader
1958 LoBoy w/ Wagner 45 Loader
1952 Cub w/ Woods 48" Bush Hog
1948 Super A w/ Finish Mower
1944 A w/ 3 Point Hitch
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Central Florida

Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby LeoM » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:32 am

When I removed the hydraulic lines from the loader I found that the supply line to the control block had been ruptured and the connection on the Bypass Block was disconnected and the block had a plug installed in it. I haven't gotten the lines back from the hydraulic shop yet but I am concerned that the tractor may have been damaged if it was run in this condition. What precautions should I take before trying to start the tractor ? I have not tried to start yet.

LeoM
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Tractors Owned: FARMALL FORUM
1966 Cub w/ IH 1000 Loader
1958 LoBoy w/ Wagner 45 Loader
1952 Cub w/ Woods 48" Bush Hog
1948 Super A w/ Finish Mower
1944 A w/ 3 Point Hitch
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Central Florida

Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby LeoM » Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:36 am

I may have just answered my own question. I have a new bypass block that I plan to install on my 1966 Cub when I get the I H 1000 Loader refinished. The bypass inlet port is not relieved therefore you cannot plug the outlet port without potential damage to the pump and possibly other components. I will remove the pump and inspect for any damage especially to the drive gear. Does anyone have any experience with a situation like this ? Is there an inspection process or procedure to follow ?

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Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:48 am

If it has been running with that line plugged rater than bypassed, most likely your pump is junk. Possibly shaft broken, or bushing burned out, etc. As you have probably learned, a bypass hose should have been installed when the loader was disconnected. I assume the touch control is not working at present either.
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Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby Don McCombs » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:32 am

Remove the pump and lines. Make a block-off plate out of Masonite, thin plywood or something similar, using the pump gasket as a template. Plug the open holes in the Touch Control block with small tapered rubber plugs, available at the hardware store, to keep the dirt out. Remove the nut, lock washer, gear and key from the pump shaft and open it up. Let us know what you find. You may have to use a low pressure impact to get the nut loose and maybe a press to get the gear off. At the very least, you should replace the shaft seal o-ring. http://www.tmtractor.com/new/hy/396fp.htm
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LeoM
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Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:02 pm
Zip Code: 32713
Tractors Owned: FARMALL FORUM
1966 Cub w/ IH 1000 Loader
1958 LoBoy w/ Wagner 45 Loader
1952 Cub w/ Woods 48" Bush Hog
1948 Super A w/ Finish Mower
1944 A w/ 3 Point Hitch
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Central Florida

Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby LeoM » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:04 pm

I haven't started or even rolled the engine, except by hand, on this tractor yet. The previous owner said he started it a "few months ago " using ether sprayed directly into the carburetor. I just received a couple carb rebuild kits yesterday and the hydraulic lines will be ready this afternoon or Monday. So I'm close to rolling the engine for a start.
When I removed the hydraulic lines there was almost no hydraulic fluid in the touch control and the loader reservoir was completely empty. I will remove the pump per Don's instructions and see if I can get the engine started normally. Is there any chance of metal bits possibly from the pump drive being in the engine oil pan ? I'm thinking of dropping the pan to clean and inspect.

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Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby Don McCombs » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:25 pm

LeoM wrote:I'm thinking of dropping the pan to clean and inspect.


Good idea. I'd also take a close look at the condition of the removed hydraulic pump before attempting a start. Don't forget to prime the engine oil pump, if you haven't already.
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Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby Posco » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:32 am

Eugene wrote: Fill reservoir with hy-tran or equivalent.


If I can't find the first, what would your recommend for the second?

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Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby Don McCombs » Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:53 am

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Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby Posco » Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:48 am

Don McCombs wrote:Image


Thanks Don. My nearest Case dealer is forty miles away and I wasn't looking forward to that drive today.

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Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby Eugene » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:40 am

Your local farm and ranch supply store will have the equivalent oil cheaper than the auto parts store.
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LeoM
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Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:02 pm
Zip Code: 32713
Tractors Owned: FARMALL FORUM
1966 Cub w/ IH 1000 Loader
1958 LoBoy w/ Wagner 45 Loader
1952 Cub w/ Woods 48" Bush Hog
1948 Super A w/ Finish Mower
1944 A w/ 3 Point Hitch
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Central Florida

Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby LeoM » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:55 am

Thanks to everyone for your advice. I have been busy with "HONEY DO's" and getting the Spring garden ready. I will be back working on the tractors Monday when the wife goes back to work.

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Re: 1958 Cub Wagner Loader

Postby Posco » Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:41 am

Eugene wrote:Your local farm and ranch supply store will have the equivalent oil cheaper than the auto parts store.


That's the route I wound up going. Turns out, my nearest NAPA dealer is twenty-six miles away so I went to TS and found one that says it replaces IH brand fluid. Hopefully it covers all the bases but for the time being the screeching sound in my TC should go away.


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