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Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby mountain4don » Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:55 am

After a discussion on here last month about replacing the failing brakes on my 1959 International Cub Loboy, I have finally brought it around to the shop and removed the 59 Woods mower deck and pulled it to the side, and I am now looking at what else has to be removed to get the wheel gear boxes removed giving access to the brakes. And finally finding out why they failed. Of course they could just be worn out. I am going to pull it into the shop and start taking off the fast hitch bracket from the bottom of the gear boxes, and then the fenders, and everything else that looks like it is in the way. I plan to replace the brake bands and the two seals on each side of the brake drums while I am in there, and drain the transmission gear oil and replace that plus the oil in each wheel gear box. Any other recommendations while I am in there?
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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby mountain4don » Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:08 pm

My first problem is I am having trouble getting the rear wheels off. I jacked it up and they are free to turn. Then I took the lug nuts out. But the wheels appear to be rusted on the hubs. I wire brushed around the joint at the hub and soaked some WD-40 in there. But they are both still stuck on. I tried bouncing on the tire with a 3 pound hammer to bounce them off, but to no avail. So, anybody have any ideas how to get the rear rims/tires off the hub?
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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby Ken (48 Cub) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:12 pm

Put the lug bolts back in but leave them loose...drive it around a little. This should break them free.
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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby Bill Hudson » Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:24 pm

Make sure that you have wedged the front axle. Much more stable that way.

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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby Cubfriend » Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:31 pm

Please take the time to wedge the front axle before removing the rear wheels. Safety first!
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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby mountain4don » Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:32 pm

Thank you very much for the recommendation. Didn't take much driving for them to come loose and I have jacked it back up and taken them off. Maybe the WD-40 helped too. And I do have wedges on both sides of the front axel when I jack it. And jackstands behind the clutch and under the differential and on the right side where there appears to be pads for jacking on the axel. So it is pretty stable and I am working on getting the fenders off. Appreciate the help guys.
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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby ScottyD'sdad » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:31 pm

WD 40 is not a good penetrating oil. Get a good penetrating oil, and spray all your fasteners, ahead of removal. Liquid Wrench, PB Blaster, Kroil, etc.
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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby mountain4don » Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:29 am

I have the fender off now from the right side, but can't get the pin out of the brake rod where it attaches to the brake operator at the axel. Its stuck but I did get the cotter pin out of it ok. But I can fold it up out of the way to pull the gearbox off. I loosened the bolts around the connection of the gearbox to the axel, but its stuck on there. Any ideas for separating the two so I can pull the gearbox and axel out to expose and inspect the brakes? I haven't tried prying on it or anything and I may need to go to town and get some of the recommended penetrating oil?
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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby Don McCombs » Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:44 am

Tap a small cold chisel into the gap between the two castings, especially at the dowel locations. Give the dowels a shot of penetrant first.
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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby Papa's Cub » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:22 am

Mountain4don, I, too, need to repair the brakes on my 66 so keep posting as you progress. Also, if possible, for us non-certified mechanics please post pictures. It really helps those of us who attempt a brake overhaul for the first time. Thanks and good luck, Tom.
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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby Jim Becker » Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:06 am

Try grabbing the final drive at the front edge and yanking it in/out. The leverage from out there may get you a little movement to make a slight opening for getting the chisel started. A chisel may be too thick, start with a screw driver or even a high-grade putty knife.

Make double sure the tractor is well supported before continuing.

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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby mountain4don » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:51 pm

The right drive gearbox came off! I had to put some oil on it and let it soak in some. Then I got a little movement by grabbing the front and rear of the casting. But it didn't wiggle much. I tried the screwdriver but it didn't help. Then I found an old 1" wide putty knife and drove it in the separation from the front and drive it with a hammer over the top of the casting up to the dowel on the top. And it pulled it out enough that I could wiggle it some more by hand and pull it out. I apologize that I am not capable of taking pictures and posting them on this site, as I am computer illiterate and don't even have one of those phones that everybody uses to take and email pictures. And I have heard that it is difficult and or impossible to post pictures on this site. And at 63 years old I am probably too old to learn any more. I didn't think fast enough to have my 18 year old wife with her Ipad take some pictures before she left this morning to go visit her great grandmother about 3 hours away.
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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby mountain4don » Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:27 pm

I have now taken a look at the problems with the brake on the right side after pulling off the gear box at the wheels. It appears like the brake drum has drifted out about 1-1/4" and the brake band was only grabbing 1/4" of the surface of it. I removed the brake band and it got into the rivets a little, but the edge of the brake drum does not look too grooved. And most of the drum is clean and smooth. So I am going to use it as-is after replacing the brake band. Now, for the rest of the problem. I took the bolt and lock nut off the brake drum and can see through the slot where the brake rod comes out of it that the key is still in the slot on the shaft. I can even see the dimple on it where the pointed end of the lock bolt was against it. But I can't slide the brake drum off the shaft. I don't know if I tap it with a plastic hammer back on a little to loosen it or try prying against the casting to force it out? Or are there other means to slide the brake drum off? I appreciate everybody's help on this issue especially since I am not a mechanic.
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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby mountain4don » Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:48 pm

I went out to the shop again and wiggled the brake drum for awhile and tapped it lightly with a plastic faced hammer and it finally slid off the shaft. The seal in there isn't leaking but I am going to replace it anyway. And while I was walking around the shop looking for parts, Lo-and-behold I found an unopened bag on the wall with International Harvester written on it with a new brake band in there. I looked for another one but couldn't find one. Evidently I had bought it at the local dealer before it went out of business back in 2001 with the intention of doing a brake job at that time. So, now I am down to only needing one brake band maybe after taking the other side off. And the seals.
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Re: Starting on 59' Cub Lo-Boy Brakes

Postby Bob McCarty » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:03 pm

Some of the later Cubs have a bushing that the pivot pin fits into. Not sure if your's does or not, but you might want to check that while it's apart.

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