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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby geolson414 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:33 am

I just put an ad up in the vine. Thanks for the suggestion

I will check out those links that were posted!

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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby pickerandsinger » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:39 am

Just a thought, but taking a mower on and off once a week is not a serious chore…I built some 3 piece ramps and just drove on and off the deck(without even touching it) and even rigged up some pins to pin it at the rear….I did however use it as an excuse to purchase 3 more cubs…( Implement differentiation) so that was a plus….My original cub was a 58 lo-boy with a fast hitch….With mower,( Danco 59)…I won't go in to detail on how I removed and installed the belts… :censored: ..And I also plowed with it…And york raked, and disc harrowed...But to be honest my reg cub plows better, cause its set up for that….Now the Lo-boy is just for mowing but I worked with it for all mentioned for several years…My 2 cents….Dave
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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby Eugene » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:17 am

geolson414 wrote:But I think if I get a second tractor it would be a slightly larger model with a 3pt and regular PTO.
In central Missouri, 3 point equipment and standard PTO powered equipment is readily available and if purchased from a private individual or auction can be relatively inexpensive.

I have a couple of tractors larger than my Cubs for heavy work. There are some tasks that Cubs are under powered and to light to tackle.
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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby Bigschuss » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:30 pm

geolson414 wrote:And I was waiting for someone to say "just buy another" :). But I think if I get a second tractor it would be a slightly larger model with a 3pt and regular PTO.


In your initial post you wrote:

geolson414 wrote: Would there be a better tool for doing what I want?


….and my initial thought was to respond with "Yes, a different tractor." I love my little Cub, and if that's all you have it will work decently for food plotting. But really they are limited. There's just nothing quite like a nice little modern 25 to 35 HP tractor with 4wd, 3 pt. hitch, and a FEL for what you are doing on the acreage you have.
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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby Bigschuss » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:39 pm

Trent M wrote:Hey Bigschuss! Ah yes, the LC mix/rotation. I have never used it only because I'm set in my ways, but the most serious deer habitat managers in the country absolutely swear by it.

LC stands for LickCreek, which was a forum name of Paul Knox. He also went by Dbltree on-line. Paul passed away last fall, but he left a library of outstanding information for habitat managers. Do yourself a favor and check out some of his writing. The shear volume of the knowledge he shared will make your head spin.

http://iowawhitetail.com/forum/forumdis ... rune=&f=45

http://www.outreachoutdoors.com/phpBB3/ ... m.php?f=19


Hey Trent…indeed Paul Knox left behind a rich legacy of writings that I imagine have helped thousands of managers and food plotters. He was also just a genuinely nice guy.

I'm in a thickly wooded northern forest with no agriculture anywhere for tens of miles. Nothing. Also, no hard mast. Putting in a few small plots for me around here was like putting out the only bird feeder in the neighborhood.

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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby geolson414 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:53 pm

Another tractor won't be in the cards for me for a while. I think I will be able to make the cub work, and find a crafty way to get the mower deck off somewhat quickly.

Thanks again for all the suggestions. I have a few feelers out for a plow, disk, and rear lift assembly. I will keep you all updated as I find things.

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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby Matt Kirsch » Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:32 pm

Keep your eyes open. This isn't like buying a pair of pants, where you can just go to a store and grab exactly what you want off a rack whenever you want.

Watch your local/regional papers. Learn to use searchtempest (I like the direct results mode). Manually search your 3 nearest craigslists. Check the vine on this site every day. The only way you're going to find what you want is if you do your own legwork.

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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby geolson414 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:47 pm

That is good advice, but I'm one step a head of you :) I found a guy selling a plow. He lives about 2 hours away, but my buddy lives about 30 min from him and is picking it up for me in about 20 min! It is a cub-193 in good shape for $135 (which sounds like a fair price)

I do have a question though. Why do I need to turn the draw bar inward? If length is an issue couldn't I just shorten the arm of the plow?

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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby muleboss » Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:04 pm

Make sure you get the depth control lever with the plow.

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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby Bob McCarty » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:01 pm

muleboss wrote:Make sure you get the depth control lever with the plow.

...and the dog bone and eye bolt that may be attached to the drawbar.

Bob

Edit: The plow was designed to work with the draw bar in the reversed position. If you shorten the arm, it likely won't work at all.
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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby Bill Hudson » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:18 pm

geolson414 wrote: Why do I need to turn the draw bar inward? If length is an issue couldn't I just shorten the arm of the plow?


Answer to question #1. Because that is the way it is designed to work.

Answer to question #2. No, unless you want to turn your $135 plow into a pile of scrap metal.

Please take the time to familiarize yourself with the 193 Owner's Manual here: http://www.farmallcub.com/[ Sorry, direct links to manual section is not allowed. ]/download.php?fname=./files/Cub%20Attachments/Plows%20and%20blades/Cub-193%20Moldboard%20Plow%2011-20-51.pdf

You might also want to look at this: http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=149&t=38411

Good luck with the plow.

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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby pickerandsinger » Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:23 pm

Bill Hudson wrote:
geolson414 wrote: Why do I need to turn the draw bar inward? If length is an issue couldn't I just shorten the arm of the plow?


Answer to question #1. Because that is the way it is designed to work.

Answer to question #2. No, unless you want to turn your $135 plow into a pile of scrap metal.

Please take the time to familiarize yourself with the 193 Owner's Manual here: http://www.farmallcub.com/[ Sorry, direct links to manual section is not allowed. ]/download.php?fname=./files/Cub%20Attachments/Plows%20and%20blades/Cub-193%20Moldboard%20Plow%2011-20-51.pdf

You might also want to look at this: http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=149&t=38411

Good luck with the plow.

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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby Kirk-NJ » Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:03 am

I agree with others forget the 3pt implements. The implements the cub was designed for work really well. Plow, disc and drag are about all you need to start working a food plot. Sure it's nice to have a bigger tractor work the ground first but if all you have is the cub than work with what you got just take small steps and don't overwhelm yourself. You can always add more areas as you go. If handy you can always make a drag out of an old log,piece of steel or some old fencing that someone is throwing out. Just keep your eyes open. Here's my homemade spiketooth drag made out of some steel channel and railroad spikes. It does a nice job of smooth things out after discing, ready to plant.
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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby Jim Becker » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:14 pm

geolson414 wrote:I do have a question though. Why do I need to turn the draw bar inward? If length is an issue couldn't I just shorten the arm of the plow?


At the risk of piling on, I am going to put my 2 cents worth in.

On Wednesday, you weren't sure what implements you need. By Thursday, you were ready to build a 3-point hitch. By Friday, you were contemplating major modifications to an implement.

A lot of guys have built 3-points. About 98% of them aren't worth a flip with a plow. Most "fixes" to existing implements just make a mess. I encourage spending more time with the manuals (as you have obviously already been doing) and get the best understanding you can of how the implements are supposed to work. If the manual tells you to (for example) turn the drawbar around, turn it around.

A Cub will do a lot of work. But it is only capable of so much. The people that designed the original implements spent a lot of effort getting the most out of the Cub. Make full use of what they gave us.

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Re: What implements would work best for me

Postby ScottyD'sdad » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:57 pm

Jim Becker wrote:
geolson414 wrote:I do have a question though. Why do I need to turn the draw bar inward? If length is an issue couldn't I just shorten the arm of the plow?


At the risk of piling on, I am going to put my 2 cents worth in.

On Wednesday, you weren't sure what implements you need. By Thursday, you were ready to build a 3-point hitch. By Friday, you were contemplating major modifications to an implement.

A lot of guys have built 3-points. About 98% of them aren't worth a flip with a plow. Most "fixes" to existing implements just make a mess. I encourage spending more time with the manuals (as you have obviously already been doing) and get the best understanding you can of how the implements are supposed to work. If the manual tells you to (for example) turn the drawbar around, turn it around.

A Cub will do a lot of work. But it is only capable of so much. The people that designed the original implements spent a lot of effort getting the most out of the Cub. Make full use of what they gave us.


I agree with Jim!
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