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Touch control fluid

Postby seabeelt » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:57 am

Has anyone used this product?

http://www.ruralking.com/harvest-king-c ... aQodBcsD-A

Thoughts?.

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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby Papa's Cub » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:22 am

I haven't used it, but, if the weight is correct I don't see why it wouldn't work. Tom.
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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby Puffie40 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:18 pm

That is hy-tran, primarily used in powershift transmissions, where you are dealing with wet clutches, wet brakes, gears and hydraulic circuits all in one place. It is sometimes treated as a universal fluid in modern tractors, but in the isolated fluid systems of older tractors like the cub, they provide no advantage.

You might find 32 weight hydraulic oil better suited for a hydraulic system - it will be a little thinner, and on that website, only a dollar more.

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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby Super A » Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:40 pm

Puffie40 wrote:That is hy-tran, primarily used in powershift transmissions, where you are dealing with wet clutches, wet brakes, gears and hydraulic circuits all in one place. It is sometimes treated as a universal fluid in modern tractors, but in the isolated fluid systems of older tractors like the cub, they provide no advantage.

You might find 32 weight hydraulic oil better suited for a hydraulic system - it will be a little thinner, and on that website, only a dollar more.


That is NOT Hy-Tran. Hy-Tran is not a universal fluid, it is sold exclusively by caseIH dealers and was was developed well before IH began using wet clutches and powershifts, back in the old mechanical TA days. The fluid on the website will probably work fine in a Cub touch control, but I have never believed in going cheap on filters, fluids and lubricants, especially given the small amount a Cub touch control uses. I am willing to bet that it won't absorb water the way Hy-Tran does either.

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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby havoc1482 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:46 pm

Can Hy-Tran be used in the gear sections (transmission/finals) as well?
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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby outdoors4evr » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:38 pm

It is used in the numbered series transmission, final drives, hydraulics, and creeper gearboxes. (by the gallon)
I am sure that it could be used in a cub transmission, but I can assure you that Hytran is thinner than the 90wt gear oil that is recommended in the older cub manuals.
I could be wrong, but I believe the "New International Cub" of the late 70's would recommend Hytran.
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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby Super A » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:49 pm

havoc1482 wrote:Can Hy-Tran be used in the gear sections (transmission/finals) as well?

I think IH recommended Hy-Tran on anything, even earlier stuff. Personally though I prefer the original 90 wt. gear oil as originally recommended. Gear oil is heavier and a little more forgiving on older seals, etc. where Hy-Tran will leak right through..... :shock:

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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:15 pm

Touch-Control Fluid in the hydraulics and 90W gear oil in the gear cases was only recommended until about 1958 when Hy-Tran was introduced. From then on, Hy-Tran was the recommendation for both places. In the PDF manuals above, the Preventive Maintenance Manual (1958) is the earliest manual (that I have noted) that has the updated recommendations. None later mention Touch-Control Fluid or common gear oil.

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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby Puffie40 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:18 pm

Super A wrote:That is NOT Hy-Tran. Hy-Tran is not a universal fluid, it is sold exclusively by caseIH dealers and was was developed well before IH began using wet clutches and powershifts, back in the old mechanical TA days.


I'm sorry, but the moment that the advertising mentions clutches or brakes, its HyTran, or 'tractor fluid' if you want to be general about it. It's basically gear oil formulated for wet clutches and hydraulic circuits.

havoc1482 wrote:Can Hy-Tran be used in the gear sections (transmission/finals) as well?

I would suggest to use actual gear oil where possible, as they have the chemicals needed to lubricate bearings and gears under extreme pressure conditions. Those are usually excluded from tractor fluids as they tend to ruin wet clutches.

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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby Super A » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:44 pm

Puffie40 wrote:
Super A wrote:That is NOT Hy-Tran. Hy-Tran is not a universal fluid, it is sold exclusively by caseIH dealers and was was developed well before IH began using wet clutches and powershifts, back in the old mechanical TA days.


I'm sorry, but the moment that the advertising mentions clutches or brakes, its HyTran, or 'tractor fluid' if you want to be general about it. It's basically gear oil formulated for wet clutches and hydraulic circuits.



Hy-Tran is a name brand. Every company's brand of oil is different with respect to additives, based on what the manufacturer calls for. For example, Hy-Tran absorbs water, John Deere Hy-Gard fluid makes it separate out. Bad things will happen if you run Hy-Tran in a Deere tractor in terms of the friction material in the Perma Clutch or powershift clutch packs to come apart. A moot point at best on a Cub, but there are differences.

it's pretty much the same deal as what motor oil is best, but I do shy away from the cheap one-size-fits-all stuff.

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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby seabeelt » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:48 pm

Soooo, can anyone recommend where to get the correct "Hy-tran"???

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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby Bill V in Md » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:45 pm

seabeelt wrote:Soooo, can anyone recommend where to get the correct "Hy-tran"???

As Al mentioned previously, it is sold exclusively by IH dealers, so hopefully you have one close by.
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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:56 pm

Bill V in Md wrote:
seabeelt wrote:Soooo, can anyone recommend where to get the correct "Hy-tran"???

As Al mentioned previously, it is sold exclusively by IH dealers, so hopefully you have one close by.

I believe that Cub Cadet dealers have "Hydraulic/Transmission Fluid" made by Viscosity Oil Company that is identical to Hy-Tran.

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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby Don McCombs » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:36 pm

Jim Becker wrote:
Bill V in Md wrote:
seabeelt wrote:Soooo, can anyone recommend where to get the correct "Hy-tran"???

As Al mentioned previously, it is sold exclusively by IH dealers, so hopefully you have one close by.

I believe that Cub Cadet dealers have "Hydraulic/Transmission Fluid" made by Viscosity Oil Company that is identical to Hy-Tran.

They also produce Mastertran for New Holland, which I believe is identical to Hy-Tran.
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Re: Touch control fluid

Postby havoc1482 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:18 pm

Puffie40 wrote:
havoc1482 wrote:Can Hy-Tran be used in the gear sections (transmission/finals) as well?

I would suggest to use actual gear oil where possible, as they have the chemicals needed to lubricate bearings and gears under extreme pressure conditions. Those are usually excluded from tractor fluids as they tend to ruin wet clutches.


Well I'm thinking for my Super A, just a non-pressurized gearbox. It peaks my interest because of the mentioned water absorption and the fact these gear boxes suck up water/moisture no matter how hard you try to stop it.
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