6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby artc » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:14 pm

I realize that this particular topic has beaten to death on numerous occasions, however, I wanted to note my experience and admit that minds can be changed.


my trailer queen DEMO cub was 6V when i restored it about 8 years ago. Correct police and all that. I noticed lately that it was rather lethargic in starting and running poorly. Oh, and the battery gave up and the generator stopped generating.

Well, since it already had a distributor and i had a Pertronics 1442 in the drawer, it was time for a good tune-up. runs way better now. just don't leave the ignition on.

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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby inairam » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:33 pm

Lurker Carl wrote:Recalling dyno testing at Cubfest several years ago, electronic ignition versus points boosted torque output by 10%. Same Cub, same day, swapped out the ignition in distributor. It was nice to see the improved performance claim measured and proven!


Was this increase from the electronic ignition only or ignition and coil being swapped out?
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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby artc » Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:15 pm

Lurker Carl wrote:
Recalling dyno testing at Cubfest several years ago, electronic ignition versus points boosted torque output by 10%. Same Cub, same day, swapped out the ignition in distributor. It was nice to see the improved performance claim measured and proven!


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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby Bus Driver » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:27 pm

Never personally tried the 6 volt electronic. Comments on the internet lead me to believe that they do not work well if the voltage is very much below specification. Think weak battery and the starting draw on the battery. So I just did not try it. The 12 volt Pertronix has performed well for me. But I cannot say that it was a big improvement as the ignition was OK prior to the changeover.
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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby Lurker Carl » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:23 pm

inairam wrote:
Lurker Carl wrote:Recalling dyno testing at Cubfest several years ago, electronic ignition versus points boosted torque output by 10%. Same Cub, same day, swapped out the ignition in distributor. It was nice to see the improved performance claim measured and proven!


Was this increase from the electronic ignition only or ignition and coil being swapped out?


It was just the electronic ignition.
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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby Lurker Carl » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:41 pm

artc wrote:
Lurker Carl wrote:
Recalling dyno testing at Cubfest several years ago, electronic ignition versus points boosted torque output by 10%. Same Cub, same day, swapped out the ignition in distributor. It was nice to see the improved performance claim measured and proven!


Hey, good to hear from you, everything good with you and Cathy??????


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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby havoc1482 » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:59 pm

I have this (rotating warning light) on my Super A, combined with a rear facing light and triangle warning reflector. Its 6v magneto ignition, to boot.


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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby SONNY » Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:35 pm

Touch the wrong wire to something, and you have just fried a very expensive unit!---NO thanks, but I will stay with my ole factory set-up!---I know a LOT about transistor stuff and how it works and its very easy to kill the transistor unit rendering it useless! thanks; sonny
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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby Gary Orr » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:50 pm

Henry Ford said KISS (keep it simple stupid) I think points r as simple as it gets. A little grease on the cam & set the gap ur good to go. Y ruin a good thing? At -20 all my tractors start. I will keep my 6V & points. Red till I'm dead. :hattip:

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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby PoconoCub » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:01 am

Bill Hudson wrote:I have long been a member of the "A properly tuned 6V system will start without problems" club. I still believe that is true. This summer I converted my snow plow Cub to 12V with the Pertronix electronic ignition. The reason for the change was to allow me to add (still to be completed) a flasher for safety reasons while plowing in limited light conditions.

At the time of the conversion I marveled at the change in ease of starting. That is still the case even in cold conditions. It was 16 degrees F this morning when I went to plow snow. The Cub started without hesitation, instantly! I'm sold! What a difference!

I realize that this particular topic has beaten to death on numerous occasions, however, I wanted to note my experience and admit that minds can be changed.

Bill


Bill my 57 Cub is converted to 12 volt and when it is running (died in the big blizzard of 2016) it works great. I have also added some safety lighting.

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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby TurboRoadster » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:24 am

I got the pertronix module and flame thrower coil installed on my cub yesterday. Its beyond awesome! Critter fires off so easy and runs so nicely!
I was testing spark with a screwdriver in the plug boot and it jumped over 1/4" ,serious spark. I gapped the plugs at .030 and she is a happy tractor! damn, so easy install for such a major improvement.

Those that say points are good enough because they have worked for the last 50 years, makes me wish I had funds enough to send em a set and let them see the difference, kinda like they are saying "I dont want a new fangled modern technology color tv when this old tube type black and white has served so well".
Your missin' out guys, ditch the points and fire that critter up with some real spark! it WILL start easier, be more reliable and clearly run better and make more power, fact.
nope, I own zero stock in pertronix, I know nobody that works there, I am just sharing my personal experience with the product and its clear benefits when installed in a cub :tractor: .

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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby Buzzard Wing » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:38 am

If I need to touch the distributor on a Cub, it gets electronic ignition. And I even have NOS IH points from way back in the day in stock (for sale!) I think the newer ignition parts are junk, but no hard evidence.

When playing with timing on the 65 Lo Boy I noticed that I couldn't get the unit to stay on at TDC, it would just blink and go out. So I suspect they did something to eliminate the 'burn out' issue if you left the switch on at a 'contact point'? Seems right impossible to make continuous contact.

In the warmer months I go 3 miles to mow Fort Adams, points failing somewhere along the way isn't a good option.
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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby PoconoCub » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:44 am

[quote="Buzzard Wing"]If I need to touch the distributor on a Cub, it gets electronic ignition. And I even have NOS IH points from way back in the day in stock (for sale!)/quote]

How much for the points? I assume they are USA made since they are from back in the day and I hate the China made crap.
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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby bob in CT » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:53 am

Don't forget these distributors have been around for a while. Any wear is going to show up in the timing if there is any shaft wobble. In addition, you have the normal rubbing block wear, condensers that need to work right to keep points from arcing, and yes, I agree that the Chinese tungsten quality is not what we have been accustomed to but some of that may be a crappy condenser.

My current project has a Pertronix. Last year, I set up my mowing tractor with a Pertronix with a standard coil. I found an old Blue Streak coil in my parts shelf that I will use for now but a Flame Thrower is tempting to try.

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Re: 6V vs. 12V vs. Electronic Ignition

Postby Gary Orr » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:24 pm

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How much for the U.S. Points & condenser?
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