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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby Boss Hog » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:19 pm

the point looks ok, i have never had any problems with the crank style fast hitch and plowing, you have to have something wrong or bent, it showld go in the ground with out the bail being at the very bottom. You do have the draw bar over to the right side?
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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby Denny Clayton » Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:40 pm

Do you have a substitute drawbar on your FH Cub? The pull bar bottoms out on it and could limit your adjustment.
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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby Lee_Petrie » Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:50 pm

Thanks for your input Boss, I would take a few pictures of it all together , but its been raining most of the time , with NO large pole building to put it all together, under one roof ( I live in the city, with one of those neat Cubs ) , it will just have to wait till the middle to end of next week, I can't plow in MUD anyway !
My original "draw beam" is in the middle ( left to right ) and frozen in spot on the shaft , so I attached a "second "draw beam" to the right side , so now I have 2 "draw beams" , on a Cub !
How about a couple of questions your way, " how much tip down in front point," should I have , to dig into the ground by itself, on level ground, measured in inches ?
Second question , how many inches should their be between the center point of the FH spear and the front point of a Cub ( the word Cub is stamped on this one ) , FH plow ? Mine measures 19 1/4 " , maybe the plow is bent !
Thanks for all of the inputs , their has to be an answer, why it is not pushing into the older grass surface,
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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby Lee_Petrie » Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:01 pm

Thanks for joining the conversation Denny, I know what you mean by the "Substitute" draw bar , I do have one of those, but it is NOT mounted on this tractor ! Correct me if I'm wrong , it was used for the belly mounted grader blade , with a tractor with a FH ?
Thanks Denny , with all of our experts , an answer is close , and the garden will be plowed by my Cub, for the first time ! Lee Petrie

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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby Bill Hudson » Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:28 pm

Lee,

Thanks for the pic of the plow. I strongly suggest that you spend some of the rainy-weather time polishing the point, share and moldboard. A large right angle grinder with an aggressive wire brush will be a great start to remove the loose rust. Follow up with a medium grit sanding disk, on the same right angle grinder, to get somewhat of a shine (no need for a mirror finish) on the plow. This will make your plowing experience much more enjoyable and that puppy will pull easier and the garden will disk easier, as well. Wear a breathing mask or you will have a lot of rust in your nose, it don't taste that good either. :)

The rust removal will not solve the problem of getting the plow in the ground, that is what we need mounted pics for.

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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby danovercash » Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:05 pm

You need to free up the hitch and slide it to the right side and pin. Loosen sway bar lock. Move draw bar to right hole in bail. Tractor on level surface left tires on seven and one half inch blocks. Plow should have 1/2 to 3/8 inch under rear shoe. Bill Hudson says it better!
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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby Don McCombs » Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:27 pm

Lee_Petrie wrote:My original "draw beam" is in the middle ( left to right ) and frozen in spot on the shaft , so I attached a "second "draw beam" to the right side , so now I have 2 "draw beams" , on a Cub !

I'm not sure how this is even possible. Let's see some photos, please.
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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby Lee_Petrie » Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:00 am

Thanks again for the comments and suggestions , my inside storage / set-up room, is very limited ! I guess somethings I'm going to have to " work around" , the "weather is what it is" and the "frozen draw bar on the FH shaft " is NOT going to move ! Originally I tried my welding torch set-up ( using the cutting torch for heat only , no cutting ) along with a 20 ton press , had no luck , and I'm not going to destroy my paint job for a small area of neighborhood garden ! The second draw bar is to the right of the frozen one ( all the way to the right of the tractor's FH ) and I'm probably lacking the proper "twist", but if I can turn over 4" of dirt I'll be happy , the "store bought tillers" aren't going to do much more ! I realize your help is very limited , with all my pre- conditions , the gardening is not worth a new paint job on the FH , I would just as soon turn the "FREE" work down ! The pictures are still coming , weather permitting !
Thanks again for all of your inputs , Lee Petrie, Joliet, IL ( in town )

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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby Lee_Petrie » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:09 pm

Sorry I'm slow getting back to the forum ! Here are the pictures I promised , the crank for the depth control was binding , with more oil and some friendly mild help getting the plow up in the rear by almost 2" ( depth control bail lowered ) , the plowing got done ! With the wet soil , the Cub was working very hard , but the 2nd draw-bar worked just fine, as you remember the original is "frozen in spot " ! They later used a rototiller to do the finishing touch , but they were very happy I was able to plow the ground , as a starting point !
A large thanks to the help on my FH plowing post , Lee Petrie, Joliet, IL.

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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby staninlowerAL » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:20 pm

Looking at the picture of your FH with the additional part installed as well as your posts about freeing the one "frozen" in place, I had to use some extreme measures to free mine up. I used a 1 1/4 inch, heavy gauge pipe about 15 inches long that slides over the shaft on one side and another short heavy gauge 1 inch pipe about 4 inches long over the threads on the other side. This arrangement allowed the pressure to be applied to the shaft and it freed up without damaging anything. I did not have to use any heat. The picture is before it was moved. There was very little paint on it because it was so old and weathered. All the other parts had to be freed up also. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=92302&start=15#p730745
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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby Lee_Petrie » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:50 pm

Thanks for your thoughts , originally I gave it all I could to free up the center draw bar , 20 ton press and heat from my "hot wrench" , with no success ! Soon after my attempt , my friend painted my tractor, but very unfortunate, he did not use IH red, so matching would be a large problem ! On the second attempt on my second tractor (1948) , and I was able to have in 2 pieces before that was painted , with IH red Valspar paint , using the same method that I attempted on the 1957 !
A BIG thanks for all of the " hand holding " , Lee Petrie, Joliet,IL. 35 miles SW of Chicago

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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby Matt Kirsch » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:54 am

Interesting workaround. It would be less crowded there if you found another cross bar and just swapped out the pull bar and cross bar. Someone could make the cross bar in a lathe; the ends thread on so you only need one set of those.

Frankly, I would say to heck with the paint job and get it broke free whatever it took. A little dirt on a "close" color and nobody'd be the wiser.

That said, I've been plowing the garden with my FH Cub set to the 44" width and the pull bar in the center for years. Works fine. Granted I'm plowing extremely sandy loam so I think I could just flatulate at the ground and it would turn over, but the plow setup does work well.

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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby Lee_Petrie » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:53 am

Hi Matt,
Thanks for your thoughts , frankly I don't do any farming with the little tractor ( except in this case , I was giving some kindness ) at the community garden plot ! I usually go to the farm shows and "crack corn", giving it to the people for bird feed, with a corn cracker mounted on a platform mount in the main FH point , but on occasion or for a several day stay on the grounds , I insert my FH carry-all into the additional draw bar ( that I used for plowing ) , so I can carry people or corn cracking supplies , back and forth, to our old camper !
I guess you could call it " 2 birds, with the same stone" , Lee Petrie, Joliet, IL.

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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby cubbrian » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:43 am

The diagonal brace is installed upside down and it should go from the top left to bottom right when looking at it from the back of the tractor.

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Re: New to plowing adjustments , with a FH cub !

Postby Lee_Petrie » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:15 pm

Your totally correct about the cross brace ! My problem is that the brace gets in the way of my belt work , flat belt ( for another "corn cracker I own) or the "V" belts running my on board corn cracker , platform mounted to the center draw bar for support ! used form time to time , the "V" belt driven "buzz saw" , and finally my generator, also platform mounted !
When I go to the STEAM SHOWS , I like to see the tractors doing some work , and mine is no exception !
Thanks for your suggestion about the brace , Lee Petrie, Joliet, IL


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