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Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby regwal » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:57 pm

Having been under the weather for a few years I was feeling better yesterday. I towed one of the cubs up to garage and did many things to include plugs and wires, cleaned carb (sort of) static timed and installed points and condenser. Changed oil and filter and primed oil pump. Charged old battery over night and attempted to to crank her up today. I had a inline spark tester on and was getting a orange spark. In a few minutes she cranked but was running very rough. Dark and being tired got me so quit for the night. Not sure where to look first next time but thinking maybe a new coil since spark was orange, thinking it should be blue. Any suggestions appreciated. Have started back to reading forum and realized it is good therapy for me. :help:

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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby Papa's Cub » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:58 pm

Regwal, it's good to hear you're feeling better. Somebody will post shortly explaining how to conduct a step-by-step trouble shooting guide to resolve your starting issues. Anyhow, I'm glad to learn you're up and about again. Keep well, Tom.
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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby danovercash » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:46 pm

Might be sticky valves, my Cub had that problem once, but it worked itself out. Pour in the Seafoam!
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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby Stanton » Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:33 am

Good to see you posting again!

I'd agree with the Seafoam suggestion. Get it running and use some Seafoam (per the label) in both the gas and oil. Might also check the points; file and re-gap to 0.013.
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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby Eugene » Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:48 am

Don't purchase any parts just yet.

The new condenser you installed could be faulty, causing a weak spark.

Clean the corrosion on the distributor cap plug towers, and inside the distributor cap, and rotor.

.013 point gap is for a magneto. .020 point gap for battery powered distributor.

Check to see that the spark plug wires are on the correct spark plug.

Conduct compression tests.
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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby regwal » Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:13 pm

Thanks for the tips. I found that I never tightened the distributor lock bolts so I think the distributor has moved while cranking. When sun is out again I will re-time everything and clean distributor contacts good. I removed the coil and it tested .001 ohms on low side and high side was 19300 ohms. that is a little high (according to what I read on internet) but will that cause a weak spark (orange)? I will check the condenser too and do a compression check. I'm sure it is low but not sure how much is too low. Fading memory sure is aggravating. I forgot to mention this a battery ignition and gaps on points and plugs are .20 and .23.

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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby Puffie40 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:10 pm

An orange spark can mean a weak coil, but I'd also check the resistance of your plug wires. Corrodded or broken wires will also affect the spark.

I found rubber polishing points for a dremel works really well in getting the distributor contacts nice 'n shiny. Don't forget to clean the edge of the distributor rotor.

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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby regwal » Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:10 pm

Sun was out after church and wind had died down so I finished up work to start cub. Did a compression check and found 50psi on two and somewhat less on the other two. I found TDC with compression gauge and re-set distributor. Checked point gap and shined distributor contacts. After the old battery was fully charged I gave it a try. Started on 1st revolution and ran about ten second sounding real good before shutting down. Quit for supper and hope weather is good tomorrow so I can get back on it. I'm thinking I might have a fuel problem and will clean the carb tomorrow. This cub has a Zenith on it and I never remember cleaning one before but I can't imagine it being much different than a IH. Am I thinking correctly? :{_}:

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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby regwal » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:04 pm

Carburetor was rusty inside so I can deduce from that the jets are not in good shape. Problem now is I damaged the gasket taking it apart. Trip down to NAPPA, Autozone, Advanced, and O'Reilly's produced nothing in the way of a kit. Came home and cleaned the jets and all looked good so ordered gasket and needle/seat from TM. While waiting thinking about new battery. I noticed a large split in left rear tire so guess a new one is in order cause I doubt there would be any luck finding a used one. Having fun though.
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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby danovercash » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:44 pm

I have a tire sporting two blow out shoes and shoe goo in the crack. One repaired professionally , the other at home.
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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby Eugene » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:03 pm

Tires. I have one rear tire with a significant cut in the side wall, one rear with the recap worn off the tread. None with the tube showing.

Wife says to buy new tires. All are still usable, providing traction and holding up the tractor. I'm not going to purchase another rear tire until I have a flat.

Way back when, I had an IH H tractor with a hole in the rear tire side wall. I had a boot put in the tire. The boot held as long as I owned the tractor.
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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby danovercash » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:16 pm

Mine are OEM, 54 years old. Cracks only on furrow (right) side. Fronts replaced once (early '70's) left side is loosing rib.
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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby regwal » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:20 pm

I don't think mine will be repairable. The split is in sidewall and caused from age and sitting flat for too many years. My rim had rusted around the valve stem and punctured the tube. I don't know how long it sat flat but pretty sure in is too bad. Once I get it running I'll stop in a local Goodyear tire shop and see what the farmer owner says about it. I can't change it myself due to age and health and also wheel weights. I have a parts tractor with tires I'll look at tomorrow and perhaps one of those will be okay. I need a rim from it anyway. For sure I'm not opposed to boots. In HS I drove a Model A and all four were booted.

When I checked compression my gauge must have been bad because it started to easily for the low psi readings I saw.

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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby regwal » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:28 am

Here's my story, and it's a good one. After doing maintenance in different areas attempting to start cub I was just about at wits end! I had more voltage when grounding starter wire to spark plug than at battery. I had cleaned all terminals cleaned carburetor, changed oil and filter, new plugs, points, condenser, and wires, static timed, reset distributor, and installed new battery. Some of these tasks were done due to cub not starting. The higher voltage bothered me because I couldn't imagine how this could be. I was leaning toward starter problems because it wouldn't even turn over. A old 90 yrs+ friend who knows nothing about cubs suggested the battery was bad. None of my checks indicated this and it was new anyway. Well, I took the battery to a different store from where it was purchased and it checked BAD! Returning and picking up a replacement I was home and installing. 1st revolution she started but ran a little rough. A little seafoam in pony tank and it smoothed out. About this time I spotted lots of oil under tractor and shut it down. I forgot to tighten oil filter cap after priming oil pump. :lol: Now to free up throttle and change fluid in touch control and I should be able to plant field peas next week. Thanks for tips guys. Having fun with this. I have another one to start up soon as well. Looking forward to it. :tractor:

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Re: Not cranked in 2-3 years

Postby regwal » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:17 pm

TC system is working great but throttle control is becoming a PITA. It looks like it will have to be removed and looked at inside. The rod is moving enough (I think) to cause change in RPM but RPM doesn't change. I think I had one apart once but cannot remember. Just looking at this one tonight It looks as though the fan belt is removed and then it comes right off. Am I missing something?


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