Plow won't go very deep... worn out?

[clintmo]

Wow. That's what I thought, but here, look at these other pics. Click them so you can see up close:

If that's half of a nut, I don't know how it's hanging on to the bolt. I tapped on it pretty hard and it didn't budge.

Clint

[Puffie40]

Try taking an angle grinder and grind the rest of that hex off, and that should pop loose. It may not be a nut, but a bolt head.

[outdoors4evr]

Cut it off with a torch and knock it out with a punch.

[Matt Kirsch]

You can tell it's worn out because it's worn down even with the frog (underlying framework of the plow bottom).

BTW, the "193" designation is for everything but the plow bottom itself. You could order plows with many different types of bottoms, especially prior to some time in the 1950's. It's part of the reason parts are nearly impossible to find for most of these old plows, aside from age.

[clintmo]

The hex part goes below the surface of the frog. It's like some kind of keyed type thing. Look closely at the first pic in my last comment. I can't figure it out. If it were a bolt head, what do I do after I cut it off? If it's threaded in there, then what?

Clint

[Jim Becker]

OK, here is a picture of one with a normal amount of wear. See what you are looking at now? Some have a stud and nut, others a cap screw. The way yours is worn, I can't tell from the picture which it is. Take a hammer and chisel and see if you have the remainder of a nut that can be knocked off sideways. If not, grind or cut off the remainder of the bolt head. The remainder of the stud/bolt is in the point, which needs throwing away anyway.

Here is the front side of the same bottom.

Here is another Plow Chief bottom with a new Agri-Supply point. Note the wear on the main part of the share. The top and bottom edges were originally parallel. The shape of the Agri-Supply points is crude enough that when I was installing this one, as I tightened the upper nut, one of the ears broke off. It wasn't contacting the part behind it. I left it on anyway.

[clintmo]

Thank you, Jim. That is what I needed. So the bolt or stud is threaded into the point and if I get the remaining nut/head off the point should come off. I'll give it a go and report back.

Clint

[clintmo]

Got it on my lunch break.

Replacement ordered. Thanks, everyone. I'll be back with further questions!

Clint

[Puffie40]

I would take some welding rod and rebuild the area around that bolt hole. That wear will mean the new bolt won't tighten down properly.

For the share, Id look at agrisupply's rock shares. I dont have any idea what they are for, but I'm tempted to say they may fit: http://www.agrisupply.com/rock-share-ih-rs-rh/p/32005/

Failing that, if a replacement can't be found, the cutting edge could either be drawn out by a blacksmith (similar to repairing a forged share) or built up with high-nickel rod.

[Don McCombs]

The CaseIH part number for the share is 515714R5 @ $58 and the point is 515638R1 @ $89. You may find either one or both NLA. The one from Agri Supply is made in China from cast "iron" about the consistency and strength of stale bread.

[clintmo]

I ordered a couple loaves of that stale bread. Those should do for my purposes. I don't know what I'll do for the share yet.

Thanks,
Clint

[WaMoo]

No offence to the OP, but I thought I would jump onto this bandwagon. I don't have any experience with plowing. I bought my Cub for pasture/hay making purposes, but it came with a plow.

My wife and I have a new interest in possibly using our plow to put in a garden, as well as maybe try some annual grasses. I thought I would post some pictures and see what those more experienced here have to say about the general condition of my plow, as well as any other pertinent information. I think I have a Plow Chief share, but I'm not even entirely sure about that.

This is my plow as it came from the original owner. It appears he took good care of it. The moldboard is bright, but he has it covered with a film of grease. The "dirty" look is just because stuff has stuck to it in storage. What are the your thoughts of the share and point?

I also got an extra point with it. I'm not sure if it is used or not. It doesn't have the extreme wear as some examples on here have shown, but I don't know what new looks like either. It's still got some good paint on it. Will the Agri-supply point folks are referring to be the one I would need as well?

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Thanks! And really, I hope the OP doesn't mind. It just seems better to ask it here than start a new thread when we already have a discussion going.

[Peter Person]

WaMoo,
The point you have with P/N 515640 R2 is a "Steel" Point if I'm not mistaken. Not sure if it's cast steel or forged. Jim Becker would probably know.
Might be possible to build up weld on it and re-create a replica of a new point.

Peter

[Jim Becker]

515 640 R2 is forged steel.

[Matt Kirsch]

WaMoo,

If the tip of the point is not buried in the dirt in your picture, it is definitely worn out. The point should protrude significantly past the edge of the share.

Grease is commonly used to prevent the moldboard from rusting in the off-season. Plows work best when the surfaces are smooth and shiny, and it is a pain in the butt to get them to that point. Depending on the ground it can take a LOT of plowing to get them to "scour" properly, many times on and off the tractor to kick off the stuck-on dirt. Or, you just get a kid to follow along on foot with a garden hoe to scrape the moldboards clean every little ways...