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1947 Console/Dash

Postby rstoots » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:06 pm

Someone has modified the console/dash on my 1947 Cub. Could someone send me a picture or link to what the OEM console was for that year?

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Re: 1947 Console/Dash

Postby Barnyard » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:38 pm

Here is the early style. Are you sure yours is a 47. Could it be a 48 with the trimmed dash? What is your serial number?

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Re: 1947 Console/Dash

Postby Glen » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:55 pm

Hi,
Here is a page from the 1947 Cub owner's manual showing the dash. It should have the long sides, like Barnyard's pics above, if it's a 1947 Cub, unless someone has changed it. :)

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... age-04.jpg

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Re: 1947 Console/Dash

Postby rstoots » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:04 pm

SN 10294 right side name plate

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Re: 1947 Console/Dash

Postby rstoots » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:14 pm

I have the correct console but the switches have been changed out, I would like a picture of the console with the OEM switches.
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Re: 1947 Console/Dash

Postby Glen » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:23 pm

Hi,
The owner's manual pic I posted above shows the switches and ammeter. It shows the 4 position combination switch, it works the lights, and the high or low charge for the generator. It shows the push, pull, ignition switch also.
Here is a page from the owner's manual of behind the dash, showing the switches and wiring.
Below are pics from TM Tractor of the original 4 position switch, and ignition switch used with a magneto. :)

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... age-34.jpg

http://www.tmtractor.com/tm-tractor/gel ... ht_001.htm

http://www.tmtractor.com/tm-tractor/gel ... ng_001.htm
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Re: 1947 Console/Dash

Postby staninlowerAL » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:27 pm

Is this the same tractor referenced in your post about the one wire alternator? If so, the ignition kill switch for the magneto must be changed for a battery ignition type switch if you are using an external coil or have changed to a battery/distributor ignition. I looked back through your earlier posts and not sure what you have or how it's wired.
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Re: 1947 Console/Dash

Postby rstoots » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:55 pm

No coil, plug wires run from magneto to spark plugs. He had a switch toe energize the charge from the alternator, a key switch for off/on and a pull switch for the lights. I would like to return it to the original configuration.

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Re: 1947 Console/Dash

Postby staninlowerAL » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:12 pm

rstoots wrote:No coil, plug wires run from magneto to spark plugs. He had a switch toe energize the charge from the alternator, a key switch for off/on and a pull switch for the lights. I would like to return it to the original configuration.
So you plan to keep the alternator and return the dash/switches to original? TM Tractor Parts has the OEM type kill switch for the magneto and the 4 position light switch. You'll have to find a place for a switch for the alternator wire to keep the battery from discharging when the engine is not running.
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Re: 1947 Console/Dash

Postby rstoots » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:10 am

Looks like I have the correct dash shape but switches are wrong. Yes I would like to return to OEM, can the alternator wire go through the ignition switch?
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Re: 1947 Console/Dash

Postby staninlowerAL » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:40 am

The OEM ignition switch is a path to ground for the magneto to stop the engine by "grounding" the mag output. It cannot be used for any other purpose. The alternator will have to have a separate, switched wire for power supply/path for its "exciter" input and charging output to the battery. You're dealing with two completely separate electrical circuits.
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Re: 1947 Console/Dash

Postby rstoots » Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:31 am

I am really confused as to what the wiring diagram should look like. I have the 1947 diagram, can you provide a diagram for my system?

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Re: 1947 Console/Dash

Postby staninlowerAL » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:06 am

staninlowerAL wrote:The OEM ignition switch is a path to ground for the magneto to stop the engine by "grounding" the mag output. It cannot be used for any other purpose. The alternator will have to have a separate, switched wire for power supply/path for its "exciter" input and charging output to the battery. You're dealing with two completely separate electrical circuits.
Sorry, Can't help with the wiring diagram; maybe the one in your other post will help. Just to explain my previous post, and you probably know already but a true magneto ignition system with hand crank starting is totally independent of any other electrical components on the tractor. This was the original design of the CUB/C60 engine and all that's needed to start and run the engine. The charging system (gen/VR/Alt/wiring harness, etc.) is there only to keep the battery charged to provide power for electrical starting and for lighting (if available). Good Luck. :hattip: Don't give up. :surrender: Stan
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