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International 1000 Loader

Postby jpate831 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:48 pm

Hey Guys,

I bought an International 1000 Loader for my '47 Cub. It's a little rusty, but it seems to be fairly solid. I have it mounted on the tractor. Now I'm trying to get the hydraulics hooked up. I found a manual online, and I'm pretty sure I know what goes where, but I don't have all the pieces.

Here's what I have:
A pretty decent inlet hose attached to the control mechanism
The short outlet hose attached to the control mechanism
A dry-rotted and torn sump return hose
The bypass block

Here's what I'm missing:
Flared Elbows for connecting to the bypass block and manifold
Reducing Pipe Coupling
1/8" pipe nipple
30" hydraulic hose to connect to the short hose, or maybe just one 45" or 48" hose instead
The sump tube that screws into the fill plug hole on the touch control

I got a lead on a place near me to get hydraulic parts, so I'll probably try them next week. In the meantime, I have a few questions.

1. Does the touch control lift still work when the bypass block is on and the loader is properly attached and connected?
2. Is there a place online that sells the specific fittings and hoses I need, like maybe a kit for the 1000 loader?
3. Once I get all of the hoses connected and reservoirs filled, is there anything else I need to watch out for or check before trying the loader for the first time?

Thanks.

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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby ShawnAgne » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:47 am

When I added a cylinder to my Cub to articulate the snow blade I just went to the local farm/hardware store and they made me the hoses I need and had all the fittings I needed.
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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby Steve Butram » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:12 am

Does the touch control lift still work when the bypass block is on and the loader is properly attached and connected?


Yes it still works

Th Bypass block taps into the touch control hydraulics, You don't have to switch between the two systems.
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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby inairam » Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:35 am

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dragging 800 pounds not lifting
there is not a lot of hope finding parts specific for an ih1000 and certainly no kits.

they are a great tool just think wheelbarrow with hydrolics, not loader.
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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby pickerandsinger » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:36 pm

If you can't find what you need try surplus center.com....They have reasonable prices and a wide selection of hoses and fittings etc...Very reasonable prices but you will need to pay shipping...Worth a check..I wouldn't skimp on parts and be sure you have the system installed properly ...Its hydraulic fluid, not water...And the pressure is 1200psi not 50....Dont use anything galvanized or it will possibly flake off and clog your pump and system..I'm no expert but I am installing a Henderson and this is what I have read and been told...Dave
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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby Jim Becker » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:35 pm

I needed a variety of fittings when I mounted a 1000 loader. I got several from Discount Hydraulic Hose ( http://www.discounthydraulichose.com/ ). I was happy with their products and response.

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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby LeoM » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:07 pm

Check ISI Industrial Supply Inc. on EBay. Good quality and low prices. Hoses, fittings etc. they will cut to order.

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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby Denny Clayton » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:26 pm

For the sump tube to the TC fill hole, send a PM to Earl (his name and forum name). Don't know if he still has any. He used to machine the piece for this. It is SAE threads on one end and pipe threads on the other. Then you can just finish it off from the hardware store. He never posts but follows the forum. I needed one to finish off my installation and it was here the next day.

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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:09 pm

The adapter for the fill hole depends on which version of the Touch-Control you have. Later ones have a plug with straight threads like Denny described and require the adapter. Early ones had a pipe plug with standard pipe thread. No adapter required, just hardware store items.

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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby jpate831 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:18 am

I was able to get the pieces I needed to connect everything from the hydraulics place. I topped off the touch control and filled up the loader's reservoir last night. This morning I cranked up the tractor and tested out the loader. Everything seems to work, as far as responding to the controls. The lift cylinder sort of "stutters" and jerks a little at certain points on the way up, but it eventually gets there. The bucket tilts up smoothly, but tilting down is a bit erratic and slow to respond. I also noticed some foam coming out of the loader's breather, but it has pretty much stopped now. Any ideas on what I should do to fine-tune this thing?

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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby Jim Becker » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:15 pm

Probably air in the cylinders. Cycle them a few times and see if it gets better.

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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby jpate831 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:30 pm

Well I tried cycling the cylinders several times, but it didn't get any better. I did notice a couple things, though. The lift cylinder still chatters a lot while it's lifting. The first couple feet lifts pretty smoothly, but then the chattering starts. It seems like if I stop and wait a few seconds and try it again, it will lift a few inches before it starts chattering again. But if I just hold the lever until it gets to the top, it will eventually get there, but it chatters a lot and takes a long time. The second thing I noticed is when I tilt the bucket down, foam immediately starts coming out of the breather, pretty much every time. And it pumps out quite a bit of fluid.
Could it be a lack of pressure that's preventing the lift cylinder from going up smoothly?
Why is the bucket cylinder pushing out foam when I tilt it down? I would expect it to do it when I retract the cylinder, not when I extend it.

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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby Matt Kirsch » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:51 am

No, it's air.

You've got a pocket of air trapped between the touch control and the auxiliary reservoir on the loader. The loader goes up smoothly until the touch control internal reservoir runs dry, then it chatters as oil trickles in from the auxiliary reservoir due to the trapped air.

If you filled the auxiliary reservoir to the recommended level with the loader fully down, there is no way it could be full enough to push fluid out as you lower the loader. It is a one-way cylinder, which means it sucks fluid out of the reservoir so the level drops. The only way it could push fluid out is if there is a pocket of air behind it.

How to get that air out? I don't know. I had the same problem with a Twindraulic loader a few years back, and that hydraulic reservoir was located ABOVE the touch control. I could never get the air out, and the Cub would make an awful "ZZZZING!" noise every few seconds. As soon as I got rid of that external reservoir and the loader, it stopped making that noise.

What needs to happen is the trapped air in the top of the touch control block needs to be bled out and filled with hydraulic fluid.

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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby jpate831 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:38 pm

Interesting.
When I hooked everything up, the loader reservoir was dry. I topped off the touch control before attaching the sump tube. Then after I attached the tube, I filled the loader reservoir. Maybe I should have left the tube disconnected from the TC, filled the reservoir and the tube itself, and then attached it to the TC. Maybe I'll try that next.
Is there a way to bleed off the air anywhere once the system is closed?

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Re: International 1000 Loader

Postby jpate831 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:04 pm

Okay. So this afternoon I disconnected the sump return hose from the touch control. The hose was full to the top, but the TC was a bit low. I refilled the TC until it ran out, and I reconnected the sump return hose. I also topped off the reservoir a little to compensate for the previous overflow. I cranked up the tractor and raised the bucket all the way up. It raised to the top smoothly, with no chattering. In disbelief, I lowered it to the ground slowly, and raised it to the top again. Smooth and no chattering. Then I lowered it slowly to the ground. I noticed that each time I lowered it, foamy hydraulic fluid would flow out from under the breather cap--and not a little fluid, either. It looked like a fountain. I bet there was a pint or more that came out and dripped on the ground. So much so that by the third or fourth cycle the lift was chattering again, the same as before. But once I stopped maneuvering the lift, it would eventually settle its stomach, and no more fluid would come out.
So it seems the chattering was due to insufficient fluid. If I can figure out how to keep fluid in it, I think the thing will be okay. What could be causing the fluid fountain? Is it air? The TC was full, the reservoir was full, and the sump tube was full. Where is the air coming from? Is it getting introduced into the system during the lift cycle? Puzzling. And messy!


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