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Re: First of a production year any more desireable

Postby indy61 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:53 pm

Johnnymass18 wrote:The machine looks unmolested and original just beat up, but it definitely is the old style the grille is red and the wire mesh type it has decals no emblems what else changed with the bodystyle change ?


179412 would look like any early 54's. I think the change came at 179923.

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Re: First of a production year any more desireable

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:01 pm

WOW. Where is the pony in this thread?

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Postby indy61 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:07 pm

Jim Becker wrote:WOW. Where is the pony in this thread?


Not sure what that means, don't know urban slang.

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Re: First of a production year any more desireable

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:10 pm

The thread has such a big pile of horse ___, there must be a pony somewhere.

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Re: First of a production year any more desireable

Postby indy61 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:20 pm

Tell us what you know, I think the 'pony' comes from the other thread.

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Re: First of a production year any more desireable

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:47 pm

indy61 wrote:. . . I think the 'pony' comes from the other thread.

Evidently.

Most of what I know comes from the monthly serial number report you posted above. Most of the rest is on the some reports from the next year.

First off, it is unclear to me what "first of a production year" means. First of a calendar year (e.g. 179412) is pretty well defined but to most IH collectors means no more than first of any other month. Production years at IH generally referred to product for a selling season and usually began November 1 (as shown on the page you posted). Many of the serial 501 tractors were built in November. Model years were meaningless in the context of most continuing models.

Production of "1954" Cubs ended during October, 1954 with serial 182161. Production resumed in November with serial 185001 with 2839 serial numbers skipped over. 185001 was the first with the restyled grille and hood with stainless emblems (per Parts Catalog). 179923 was nothing special other than being the first built July 1954. The first Cub Lo-Boy was built in July, 1955.

If somebody wants to have the first/last of a model/calendar year, he will have to tell us what it is worth to him. We can't tell him.

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Re: First of a production year any more desireable

Postby indy61 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:56 pm

There was a 6 month down period with production of Cubs in 54. You don't think it has to do with the New Lo-Boy and styling changes?
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Re: First of a production year any more desireable

Postby Glen » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:07 pm

Hi,
Below is the parts manual page that Jim was talking about above.
185001, in late 1954, was the first Cub with the new hood with metal names, and new grille.
Other changes were the Fast Hitch was introduced,
Touch Control with larger rockshaft and arms material, and arm for Fast Hitch helper spring,
and under axle exhaust.

A 1954 Cub would have had the Flatback lights, they were the first with a sealed beam unit used on a Cub. They came out in 1953, I think. :)

http://www.farmallcub.info/manuals/cub_ ... 000-11.jpg

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Re: First of a production year any more desireable

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:26 pm

indy61 wrote:There was a 6 month down period with production of Cubs in 54. You don't think it has to do with the New Lo-Boy and styling changes?

No. I think it had more to do with the 1,127 Cubs that were sitting at the factory at the start of the '54 production year. (Total shipped during that year was 5,300, including the 1,127 on hand.)

Whatever was required for changeover was done after about 512 old style tractors were built in October and before roughly 647 new style tractors were built in November. Startup of Lo-Boy production was July, 1955, a full year after the 1954 shutdown ended.

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Re: First of a production year any more desireable

Postby jsfarmall » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:41 pm

Would be cool to have it cause of it's THE first. But given the condition I wouldn't pay over 700 MAYBE 800 like you said but not twice that. Some folks think they got gold.

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Re: First of a production year any more desireable

Postby Johnnymass18 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:02 am

That's just it it dosent justify it to me but on the other hand what's a couple hundred bucks these days , nothing in the scale of things . tough decision

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Re: First of a production year any more desireable

Postby pickerandsinger » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:11 am

Johnnymass18 wrote:Well it's been sitting ,turns over but minimal compression. Prob get some oil in there and make sure the rings aren't stuck junk tires hood is beat definitely needs a rear main , pouring oil , I can't see it being more than an 800$ piece but that's just me if I could justify it it would be cool to have the first one of 54 but the guy is asking almost double that
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Re: First of a production year any more desireable

Postby lliberto » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:59 am

I have a Circle Cub that everyone says is worth the same as any other Cub. However, to me it means something being one of the first ones ever built. So I personally value it more than the others. But I do know if I ever had to sell it I'd have to lower me expectations to what it is truly worth to others. That being said, if you want a 54 with a certain serial number because you think it's worth more than the other, then go for it. ;-)


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