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What starter should I get?

Postby Randy Tuura » Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:15 pm

Hello everyone...

I have a 1949 Cub with what appears to be a dead starter. Lots of power at the starter, new switch, but won't turn. I doubt if the bendix is stuck in the flywheel; I can turn the engine using a fan blade.

New starter button didn't help.

New battery didn't help (old one was a 2008 model).

I'm going to buy a starter. As far as I can tell, I have to get a six volt starter and that is okay - a six volt starter works fine with a 12v negative ground conversion.

Is that correct?

Where should I buy it?
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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby ntrenn » Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:58 pm

Still running my original 6v starter on a 12v conversion...its been converted to 12v neg for at least 30 years....
A starter is pretty simple and very durable. It may be as easy as new brushes...they are about 12 on ebay...took me about an hour to install.
I made the mistake of taking my 12v starter to an old line starter shop...work was good but i thought the $150 bill was a tad high.....

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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby tldec50 » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:14 pm

clean the mounting bolt threads in the torque tube and where the starter mounts to the torque tube before you give up on the starter also the mount bolt threads. they are the ground for the starter.

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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby tinnerjohn » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:16 pm

Before buying a starter, have you checked the brushes? In my limited experience, they are usually the first thing to go. Easy fix and a lot cheaper than a rebuilt. John

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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby Crimson Tim » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:20 pm

Also, there is some question raised about whether a 12v starter would fit on an engine that was originally 6v. I don't think we ever got a definitive answer on whether it would fit, but we did get a definitive answer that the block casting and the lower coolant casting were both changed to accommodate the 12v starter's more ample girth, so probably not.

Many people run their 6v starters on 12v for ages... just don't let it crank too long at any given time and let it cool between start attempts.

So, yes, if you do decide to replace it, stick with the 6v.

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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby Glen » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:04 pm

Hi,
You can remove the band from the starter, and use a light, and see if the 4 brushes are worn down, sometimes they don't all wear at the same rate, 1 or 2 will wear down, and when they get too short, the starter won't work anymore.
There is a bushing at each end that should be replaced during a starter rebuild too. :)

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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby Sailor » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:15 pm

Crimson Tim wrote:Also, there is some question raised about whether a 12v starter would fit on an engine that was originally 6v. I don't think we ever got a definitive answer on whether it would fit, but we did get a definitive answer that the block casting and the lower coolant casting were both changed to accommodate the 12v starter's more ample girth, so probably not.

Many people run their 6v starters on 12v for ages... just don't let it crank too long at any given time and let it cool between start attempts.

So, yes, if you do decide to replace it, stick with the 6v.

I've got a 12V starter on my Cub, it's a tight fit but it fits. Because the starter button is slightly off-set, you will have to reverse the rod so that the end will be facing the other way.
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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby Randy Tuura » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:16 pm

I appreciate all the tips on rebuilding the starter. I know that for the cost of some parts I could rebuild or repair it. But the replacement will be here by next weekend and I'll be able to install a working starter on the tractor and maybe cut some grass Saturday afternoon. I myself have been guilty of taking a dim view of "parts changers". I have rebuilt my own car starters - even machining the commutator on a lathe. I modified the end bell of a water pump (well water pump) to accept a new bearing; the original was unavailable locally.

Now the starter I ordered says "Does not include a Solenoid". Do these early tractors even have a starter solenoid?

Oh, and I want the tractor to be reliable through the Winter snowplowing season. Mechanical work outdoors at 5 degrees below zero is no fun at all. Changed a lower radiator hose once when it was -15.
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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby staninlowerAL » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:49 pm

Another possibility is the armature has fault (dead spot) so that if it stops on that spot it will not run. Reman armature is available but pricey, you can probably get a reman complete unit for about the armature cost. As for the "solenoid" unless someone has converted it to use the starter with a solenoid you will not need one, only the pull rod type starter switch mounted on the starter. Later model cubs used a solenoid which I believe started with the change to 12v (maybe later on). These have a key switch ignition. EDIT: Info/comments based on a std 6v starter. If you purchased a 12v starter it will probably not have the threaded mounting point holes for the pull rod type switch so you will have to go with an electrical solenoid or a push type switch like the ones used on the dash of the early 12v cubs.

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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby Barnyard » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:19 pm

Did you take the starter out and put it in a vice to bench test it?
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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby Randy Tuura » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:13 pm

Barnyard wrote:Did you take the starter out and put it in a vice to bench test it?


No. I'm changing parts til it works. The battery was new in '08 so I'm not counting that as an expense for this repair. The price of a new starter is like the price of a new cheap non self propelled 28" or 30" rotary push mower. And I have about and acre and a half to mow. Takes 45 min. with the tractor.

I'm going with the idea that the starter has that "dead spot". That was the reason I removed the starter from a car I had and turned the armature on a lathe.

Maybe if I could get around better. My arthritic knee is so bad I use a power wheelchair to get around at work. I can get up on the tractor easy enough especially with a woods mower under it.
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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby Randy Tuura » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:32 pm

Thanks everybody. Now I know the starter I ordered will work.

I'm always impressed with the technical know how of this group. When I was a kid all we had was a neighbor who could tell us anything we wanted to know about Farmall Cubs.
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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby MikeinRI » Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:37 am

Hi Randy,

I bought a new starter for my '52 cub from Yesterdays Tractor and never used it. If you want it you can have it for half price.

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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby Waif » Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:53 am

Ground was poor on my tractor. Pulled starter lever...nothing.
Was sporatic till a braided ground was added.
Switch was cleaned and starter surface to tractor cleaned.

I hear ya on a chair vs working tight into tractor when a deck is on it.
I can fortunately leave chair though.
Starter not so bad to reach.
Never step on a running deck though.......

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Re: What starter should I get?

Postby Crimson Tim » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:00 pm

Sailor wrote:I've got a 12V starter on my Cub, it's a tight fit but it fits. Because the starter button is slightly off-set, you will have to reverse the rod so that the end will be facing the other way.


Good to know. What was the source for your 12v starter, in case it makes a difference? Used off a 12v tractor? Purchased new? From whom?


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