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1950 Cub Steering

Postby Redfred1 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:45 pm

I am in the process of restoring my cub and am working on the steering.

https://imgur.com/a/AuMRkh

The front end is disassembled except for these two tie rods.

http://imgur.com/fMkEEuf

I need to know how to take them apart. The ball ends are welded to the tie rods... how do you get the ends off?

Also, this tie rod end has been welded to the tie rod, but I think I can cut it off without too much trouble but will need a source for the inner rod. Any suggestions would be helpful!

http://imgur.com/97WpQUg


Thanks!

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Re: 1950 Cub Steering

Postby staninlowerAL » Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:29 pm

You might finds some replacements by advertising on the VINE, Classified. Also check with tst (Tim Talleur), I think he made replacements at one time.

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Re: 1950 Cub Steering

Postby Glen » Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:32 pm

Hi,
Your pictures do not show on here, so I'm not sure what you are asking.
I'm guessing it is an adjustable width front axle. There were non adjustable ones also.
The tie rods are held on at the center, on the steering arm with a little plate and 2 bolts that go up from the bottom. You probably need to clean off the old hard grease to see them.

Here is a listing from TM Tractor for new tie rod tubes, the ball is made on the end, that is how they are made.

http://www.tmtractor.com/new/st/217fp.htm

Here is a listing for the solid rod that goes into the tube.

http://www.tmtractor.com/new/st/6291fp.htm

They have other parts there, just click on steering/front axle at the top left of the page.

You have to remove the solid rod from the tube, then the tube will slide out of the center plate. :)

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Re: 1950 Cub Steering

Postby Redfred1 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:47 pm

Sorry, yeah the photobucket service wants $$ to allow photo views... there are links now instead.

So yeah, the two ball ends are through the steering knuckle arm and are worn and dont slide through. Is it replaced as a whole to include the tie rod and if so, how does it fit through the hole?

Yes, It is an adjustable width front end, to my surprise!

Thanks!

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Re: 1950 Cub Steering

Postby Glen » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:19 am

Hi,
The pics still don't show when I clicked on the links.
If you have the 2 tie rods off the Cub and they are complete, and fastened together with the little plate in the center, you have to loosen the clamps on the tubes that hold the solid rod in place, remove the bolts, and slide the 2 rods out of the tubes, then the tubes will slide out of the plate with the holes in it. They go out the other end from the ball that is made on the end of the tube.
The tubes and rods have to be about straight to slide them apart. If they are bent, you will need to heat them up, and straighten them before they will slide apart.

Below is a page from the 1950 Cub owner's manual showing the front axle, and the different wheel spacings they have.
Below that is the whole owner's manual. The experts on here recommend that people read it, it has much info about operation, maintenance, and lubrication. :)

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... e%2046.jpg

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... index.html

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Re: 1950 Cub Steering

Postby Redfred1 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:20 am

Thanks Glen...

The link worked for me so thank you for the info.

I think a previous owner must have welded everything up. I was able to slide out the inner rod on one of the tubes but the ball end is welded to the other end. Also one of the link ends is welded to the other tube so I cannot slide out the inner rod at all. I guess I will try to salvage what I can and buy what I cant.

Appreciate the info and help! Sorry my picture links dont go to the pictures... guess I need a new hosting site!

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Re: 1950 Cub Steering

Postby Redfred1 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:54 am

https://imgur.com/a/AuMRk

This link works for me...

Thanks,

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Re: 1950 Cub Steering

Postby staninlowerAL » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:00 am

Replacement ball ends are available (McMaster Carr?). Check the HOW TO forum, someone may have posted a repair/replace how to. This link should take you there. viewforum.php?f=143 Also you can search this forum. There have been posts on this in the past couple of years.

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Re: 1950 Cub Steering

Postby T-Mo » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:22 am

The imgur link work for me, but not the photobucket links. I even have an account with photobucket and was logged in and still they (links) didn't work. I don't have an imgur account, but that link did work.

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Re: 1950 Cub Steering

Postby tmays » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:46 am

Links worked for me. Colorful engine you have there. The ball ends looked ok to me, but looking at a pic can be deceiving. If they aren't close to coming through the hole, I use them. However, the weld on the other end is a problem. I assume it's welded to the inner rod. If you can remove the rod, replacements are available, I believe.
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Re: 1950 Cub Steering

Postby Redfred1 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:58 am

Great, thanks for the links and other info... I think the imgur app will work for me and I will use it in the future... I got a new powder coater and have been experimenting!

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Re: 1950 Cub Steering

Postby Glen » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:37 pm

Hi,
The pics work for me at the link you posted today.
If you can grind off the weld on the tube and rod, you might be able to break them loose, and get it apart.
If the tie rod end is welded on in the right place, so the toe in is right when put together, it wouldn't matter that it is welded on the rod. But it might or might not be in the right place.

I posted links for TM Tractor's new parts above, that you can look at.

I noticed in your pics that the high speed limit adjustment bolt, on the top of the governor is screwed down too far. The throttle cannot open far enough with it set there, if it is the original length bolt. Below is a pic from TM Tractor of how they usually are set, it has more of the bolt above the lock nut than yours does.
The high and low speeds should be set with an automotive test tachometer, when you get it to run.
The speeds are shown in the specifications section of the owner's manual I posted above, on page 63. :)
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Re: 1950 Cub Steering

Postby Redfred1 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:47 pm

Thats a keen eye you have there Glen! Thanks... I bought this tractor a year or two ago and only ran it enough to get it on and off the trailer. I will be going over all the adjustments as I reassemble it.

As a follow up, I was able to cut the welded steering tie rod end through the weld without damaging the tie rod. It removed fairly easily from the end and the tube. Unfortunately, it was only sbout 3-4" long. So a new one is in order as well as the tube which has a pretty nice bow in it.

Appreciate all the help and suggestions.

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Re: 1950 Cub Steering

Postby LeoM » Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:34 am

I just replaced both tie rods on my 1948. I bought new rods, tubes and shim plate from TM. My problem now is getting the proper amount of shim to loosen the steering up. See my post from earlier today titled "Steering Gear Shim".


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