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Help with changing rims

Postby lliberto » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:06 pm

As some of you know, my rim on my 47 Cub was rotted out. So I bought a new one. It took forever to get the old wheel/tire combo off of the tractor. It was seized up at the hub. Rusted tight as heck but it's finally off. My next step is to take the tire off of the old rim and put it on the new rim. Only problem, the local shop can't handle a rim that size and the next closest wants $90 because it's a farm tractor. My question is, can I manually change this tire with some home shop tools (crowbars and big screwdrivers) or do I really need the professionals with their top quality air powered tools?

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Re: Help with changing rims

Postby staninlowerAL » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:15 pm

You can do it. The most difficult part is breaking the bead down on the rim. Where I live, the local full service gas station will break down a CUB rear tire, repair or replace a tube and put it all back together for $25. I'd look for another shop.
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Re: Help with changing rims

Postby gitractorman » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:33 pm

Yea, check another shop. My buddy has an auto repair/tire shop, with a typical tire changing machine, and he has broken down and mounted several Cub tires for me without problem. I'd say the guy you talked to just didn't want to do it.

You "can" do it your self, but if you have painted the rims, you might do more damage to the rim than you want. To get the tire off the rim, use a set of two or more pry bars, like typical old crow bars. Just get under the tire at one point, with one bar, and pry the tire away from the rim, then up and over the rim. Leave that bar in place. Then take a second bar and do the same thing about a foot away. Once you have about a foot of the tire pulled up over the rim, you can remove the bars and just pull the tire on up and around. Do the same thing with the second bead until the whole tire is off the rim.

To put it back on, use bearing grease (yes, typical old grease) and grease up the outside of the first bead. Set that bead down on the rim, with the rim sitting on the ground. If the rims are freshly painted, put a drop cloth or bed spread down before setting the rim on the ground. Then, the way I do it is place the whole thing near a wall or work bench where you can hold on, then stand on the tire and gradually walk it around until it pops down onto the rim. Once the first bead is down, then grease the inside of the second bead, and repeat the procedure, walking the tire onto the rim. It's actually not all that hard to do, you just have to be careful!! Oh, it probably helps that I'm 6'4" tall and 250 pounds.
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Re: Help with changing rims

Postby Eugene » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:35 pm

The tire is much easer to dismount and mount while the rim is mounted on the jacked up and cribbed tractor.

Search function, top of page. Dismounting and mounting tractor tires has been discussed several times. There are some youtube videos on the subject. Couple should be labeled how not to change a tractor tire.

You didn't state that the tire was filled with calcium chloride or not. The $90- price may be for handling the calcium chloride.
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Re: Help with changing rims

Postby lliberto » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:08 pm

Eugene wrote:The tire is much easer to dismount and mount while the rim is mounted on the jacked up and cribbed tractor.

Search function, top of page. Dismounting and mounting tractor tires has been discussed several times. There are some youtube videos on the subject. Couple should be labeled how not to change a tractor tire.

You didn't state that the tire was filled with calcium chloride or not. The $90- price may be for handling the calcium chloride.

$90 is without the handling of calcium. That's an hourly charge above and beyond the $90. How many hours could it take to remove the calcium in the first place?

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Re: Help with changing rims

Postby lliberto » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:09 pm

staninlowerAL wrote:You can do it. The most difficult part is breaking the bead down on the rim. Where I live, the local full service gas station will break down a CUB rear tire, repair or replace a tube and put it all back together for $25. I'd look for another shop.


Interesting

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Re: Help with changing rims

Postby lliberto » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:09 pm

Thanks everyone!

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Re: Help with changing rims

Postby Eugene » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:32 pm

lliberto wrote:$90 is without the handling of calcium. That's an hourly charge above and beyond the $90. How many hours could it take to remove the calcium in the first place?
10 to 15 minutes per tire with fluid pump.

Guessing, do it yourself, with a bit of experience, perhaps 30 minutes to dismount a tire. New rim, you will have about 90 minutes in the entire process.

But then, I mounted trailer tires in a factory while working my way through college. I don't recall the standard, thinking 30 tires mounted per hour. Years later the family purchased a gas station which serviced tractor tires.
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Re: Help with changing rims

Postby Glen » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:28 pm

Hi,
When you put the new tire and tube on the rim, be careful to not pinch the tube between your tire tools and the rim, it can cut the tube, then it will leak, and you would need to fix that. :)

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Re: Help with changing rims

Postby Dusty B » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:47 pm

Was it George Willer's technique of using a large plastic garbage bag over the rim to help it slide on? Works well and not as messy as the grease! Couple of regular tire tools are not that expensive. Lay the tire on the ground and drive over it w/PU truck (close to rim) or another tractor! Some of them can be tough to break loose! Dusty B
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