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Appropriate Rear Light

Postby Gary Puckett » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:05 pm

What is the appropriate (original) rear/work light for a 1959 Standard Cub. I have actually tried to tell from the manuals and parts list/views. Are they the same as the front (pancake on mine now), or the teardrop style, or the combination style, or one more like a tail light? Or were there options? Thanks

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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby tst » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:39 pm

a tailite was standard, work light was an option

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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby indy61 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:36 pm

Gary Puckett wrote:What is the appropriate (original) rear/work light for a 1959 Standard Cub.


Looks just like the front lights but has three wires exiting grommet instead of two.
Pancake style is not correct for 1959.

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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby Glen » Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:15 pm

Hi,
IH changed lights at serial number 210001, to the 3rd style of lights used on a Cub.
The flat back light was used before that. If your Cub is a 1959, it has to be above 210001, so probably someone changed it and put the flat back lights on it.
The teardrop style was the 1st style, used from 1947 - 1953.
The 3rd style is a round back, with a sealed beam unit in it.
Below is a page from the Cub parts manual showing the lights used for 210001 and above.
Not clear there what the standard rear light was, maybe a tail light. The combination white work light, and red taillight was extra.

http://www.farmallcub.info/manuals/cub_ ... 008-13.jpg

The front lights use the 4511 sealed beam unit, I believe.
Below is a page showing the lights, looks like there were 2 different styles maybe.

http://www.farmallcub.info/manuals/cub_ ... 008-17.jpg

Below is a page showing the combination rear light for 210001 and above. :)

http://www.farmallcub.info/manuals/cub_ ... 008-21.jpg

I would think the manual has the right info.
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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby Gary Puckett » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:22 pm

Thanks Glen and others for the responses. The entire rear light and bracket is missing. The front lights seem to be in between the teardrop lights like my H and the flat lights described. They are more cup shaped with a flat bottom, if this makes sense.

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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby Glen » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:34 pm

Hi,
I sent you a PM.
Pics of the lights would be helpful.

Here is a listing at TM Tractor of a new light like yours would have, they are about the same, not sure about the wiring though. They have a rounded style.

http://www.tmtractor.com/new/el/2615fp.htm

The original rear light bracket was welded onto the battery box. Here is a pic from TM Tractor.
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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby radioguy41 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:33 pm

Would this be an original of the type? It has a 4511 sealed beam bulb (working) and a round, not teardrop, housing.

As shown in the parts book for serial number 210001 to 224400.
http://www.farmallcub.info/manuals/cub_ ... 008-17.jpg

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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby Glen » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:35 pm

Hi,
It looks like it is an IH style of light, radioguy41, but I'm not an expert on the wires it has, probably Jim B. knows.
The IH sealed beam lights have the mounting bolt at an angle, the ones at TM Tractor are straight up and down, their pic looks like.

Below is a page from the 1959 Cub owner's manual showing the Cubs and the lights.

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... age-04.jpg

TM Tractor has the rear light bracket and clamp, and spacer. They have 2 different spacers, they don't say which one is for which light.
They are at the bottom of the page. :)

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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby indy61 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:21 am

When they switched to 12v in 63/64 the light housings were the same except for a plug in connector on the back. The rear light had a three prong and fronts two prong.

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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby Jim Becker » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:33 am

Yeah, the one in radioguy41's picture is right (for what I can see in the picture) for 210001 (1958) and up through the last 6-volt lights. The 12-volt one had the socket on the back. To add confusion, later parts catalogs show some later parts for use as replacements on earlier tractors. The lights are an example. After the change to 12-volts, a 12-volt style light was offered with a 6-volt bulb. They had a pigtail wire that fit the light's socket and had wire enough to reach the same as the pigtail on the original 6-volt light.

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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby radioguy41 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:41 am

Thanks, I wasn't sure what it fit. It came along with some other Cub stuff I bought and has been laying on the shelf gathering dust.
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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby Gary Puckett » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:42 pm

I appreciate all the replies to my first post. They are all very helpful. I am actually getting the tractor next week and will be more specific when I get a closer look.

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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby Gary Puckett » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:29 pm

Since I posted this topic, I have studied my tractor wiring harness and the rear light has three wires which would seem to indicate the light mentioned by Glen:

http://www.farmallcub.info/manuals/cub_ ... 008-21.jpg

One of the rear wires has a female connector made of plastic and the front lights have the same connectors, one for each of the two wires on each side for both front lights.

I noticed that the manual pictures a terminal mounted on the battery box. Is this for the three wire light?

The tractor does have the four position switch if you count "off" as a position.

The wiring looks original, but may not be.

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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby Gary Puckett » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:37 pm

I finally acquired the correct light for this tractor from TM Tractor Parts. It is a really nice light as promised. As I review the manuals for 1959, I note that some tractors in the same manual have a junction block for the rear light and some appear to be directly connected to the cable. This light came with the junction block. What is the purpose for the junction block.

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Re: Appropriate Rear Light

Postby Jim Becker » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:30 am

As I recall, the ground and red taillight wires on the tractor go to the junction block. If you only have a red taillight, the single feed wire is connected to the junction block. If you have the combination light, it should have ground and "red" wires to connect to the junction block. The remaining "white" wire should have a connector to plug into the wire on the tractor that has a connector.


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