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pulling sled

Postby meandmydeere » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:25 am

I built a dead weight pony pulling sled for last years show. Now I want to build a sled for the Cub Tug we'll have this year. Can I get some recommendations on size and weight? I'll be loading it with standard size cement blocks. My thoughts right now are to make the sled 52" wide by 52" long That will give me some wiggle room. I can put 12 blocks on a row. I'll also be using this for the doodlebug pull so I will have multiple layers. Each block weighs 50 pounds. So 600 pounds to a layer and the weight of the sled should be about 500 pounds. I think the Cub will pull it's own weight and then some. Recommendations, comments?
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Re: pulling sled

Postby meandmydeere » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:08 am

I scare myself when i get to thinking. I have to make it 33" wide by 52" long to get 12 cement blocks per layer. That's 2 wide by 6 long
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Re: pulling sled

Postby Peter Person » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:56 am

Mark,
Don't underestimate how much a Cub can pull safely. Hitch point below the center of the wheels for sure. Add weight to the front to keep it to the ground and who knows!

Check this out: http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=97754
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Re: pulling sled

Postby jsfarmall » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:20 pm

Cubs are 1 of few tractors built from the factory that can pull more than it weighs in s dead weight pull. So 600lb total weight might make a cub think about grunting a little

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Re: pulling sled

Postby Bill Hudson » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:32 pm

The 600 pounds was for one (1) layer of cement blocks. More layers would be added as each round of the pull progressed.

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Re: pulling sled

Postby Urbish » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:03 pm

jsfarmall wrote:Cubs are 1 of few tractors built from the factory that can pull more than it weighs in s dead weight pull. So 600lb total weight might make a cub think about grunting a little


I do agree that 600 lbs on a sled won't bother a Cub much, but I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that a Cub is one of a few tractors that will pull a sled that is heavier than the tractor.

According to the Nebraska tractor tests of 1947 and 1956, the max drawbar pull (pulling FORCE) for a Cub was around 1600 lbs. This was accomplished with loaded rear tires and 2x weights on both rear wheels for a total tractor weight of 2700 - 2891 lbs including the operator. Note that this does not mean that the tractor was pulling a 1600 lb sled. I means that the tractor was able to pull a much heavier sled with a pulling force of 1600 lbs. I'm sure that most farm tractors with good tires would pull a sled weighing more than the tractor.

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Re: pulling sled

Postby Smokeycub » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:17 pm

jsfarmall wrote: Cubs are 1 of few tractors built from the factory that can pull more than it weighs in s dead weight pull. So 600lb total weight might make a cub think about grunting a little
Peter Person wrote:Don't underestimate how much a Cub can pull safely. Hitch point below the center of the wheels for sure. Add weight to the front to keep it to the ground and who knows!

I've seen my Cub pull some amazing things! I think that sort of thing is about traction and power to the ground more than anything else. Looks like someone put a lot of thought and effort into that Cadet in the picture, like Cub finals? ...Onan engine?... What else?

Was curious if your sled is configured like a traditional tractor pulling sled. Will/does it have a progressive weight box? That might be a lot of fun.
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Re: pulling sled

Postby Peter Person » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:54 pm

Ray,
The Cub Cadet is going to be transformed yet again....stay tuned. Hannah and Aron are drawing up some new plans. Not much else for modifications other than the Cub Loboy finals and the repower with the Onan for this past fair. The Onan is going away. They want to use the Cub Cadet for the 4H Fair next year but also looking to do something different too! :wink:

The 4H Club pulling sled is a piece of 1/8" thick steel with each end bent up at a 30 degree angle. 3" x 3" angle welded the length on each side and across both ends. A forged eyebolt on each end with a 36" length of 3/8" GR70 Chain attached. Tractors need to have a forged 3/8" hook to receive the chain for quick hookup.
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This is very similar to the sleds used by the New England Doodlebug Association.

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Re: pulling sled

Postby meandmydeere » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:15 am

Peter, that is pretty much how I built the pony pulling sled. On each end, I put uprights that can be folded down for storage but when in the upright position, its a bulk head so the cement blocks can't work forward and come off the sled. But in pony pulls, we load the sled to 9000#. And when a horse hears that click of the hook, they are gone.
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Re: pulling sled

Postby jsfarmall » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:23 am

Dead pull of its own weight is actually quite a frat and few tractors built can actually do that. For example the 480 stx I used to drive had a 17yd and 20yd train of dirt buckets. The 20yd loaded about 75% is about the same weight as the 480. Roughly 54k lb. With the door closed and bucket flat on the ground is a dead pull equal to a sled. It won't do it. Not due to lack of traction, lack of power.

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Re: pulling sled

Postby meandmydeere » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:40 am

I really don't understand what you mean. If I add the weight of the sled to the weight of the cement blocks and I have 2000 pounds, the Cub can't pull 2000 pounds of dead weight? So how much can I pull dead weight with the Cub?
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Re: pulling sled

Postby Jim Becker » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:45 am

meandmydeere wrote:So how much can I pull dead weight with the Cub?

There are so many independent variables that this is a meaningless question.

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Re: pulling sled

Postby Peter Person » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:35 pm

What kind of track/pad are you pulling on?
What kind & size tires are you running?
Condition of your engine and drivetrain?
How much weight do you have up front to keep the nose on the ground?
Hitch setup?
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Re: pulling sled

Postby jsfarmall » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:44 am

The cub should be able to pull the 2k pounds. What I'm saying is pound for pound they are some of the most powerful tractors. Few tractors ever built are as strong as a cub pound for pound. 2k pound pull would for sure be interesting to watch. Be alot of fun.

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Re: pulling sled

Postby meandmydeere » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:14 pm

Clay track, packed hard. Stock Cub tires. everything should be stock. If someone pulls in with a Cub and an Allison V12 under the hood, it would be interesting but not allowed to pull.
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