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Battery Box

Postby Gary Puckett » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:52 pm

My cub did not come with the complete battery box. I have since acquired the front detachable piece and a top (not aftermarket). I have two questions:
1. About the front piece, does one side edge go inside the box and one side out?
2. About the top, why do some have two cushions (rubber sections under the top) and some four?

Thanks

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Re: Battery Box

Postby Barnyard » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:05 pm

The bottom of the front goes inside. The sides of the front go on the outside.

I can only guess that they went from four to two cushions as a cost saving move.
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Re: Battery Box

Postby Gary Puckett » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:14 pm

I thought the edges should go outside, but they won't. It looks like from the wear lines, one was out and one was in. It might be aftermarket with a bad fit, but it looks factory. A sheet metal brake would adjust it.

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Re: Battery Box

Postby inairam » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:07 am

Two pads are older than 4 pads.

The covers with two longer hold downs were used for tractor sn 224400 (1964) and below
The covers with 2 short and 2 long were used for SN 224401 and above.
That would be the around the change to the 12 volt battery.

I just found this cover a few weeks ago and looked it up when I was told it was for a cub viewtopic.php?f=1&t=98909

The bottom tab of the front panel should go inside the box and the sides outside and the top inside of the lid.
When you only have 9 horsepower you need to know the names of all of the ponies!

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Re: Battery Box

Postby Glen » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:18 am

Hi,
Below is a page from the 1947 Cub owner's manual showing the battery box cover, it shows a cover with 4 rubbers.

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... age-34.jpg

This page is from the 1955 owner's manual.

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... e%2046.jpg

Bill thought they used the 2 rubber cover on the newer Cubs.
The Cub parts manual does not really say when they used the 4 rubber cover. They left the 4 rubber cover in the pic without explaining when it was used. That is in TC 37-F, that I posted at the post you show above.
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Re: Battery Box

Postby inairam » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:22 am

my post is from the parts manual TC-37F.
When you only have 9 horsepower you need to know the names of all of the ponies!

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Re: Battery Box

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:14 am

This gets a little confusing as the information is in the Parts Catalogs but isn't very clear.

The original style had 4 rubber hold-downs. The catalogs show the serial number break to the 2 hold-down version, which was at the change to 12-volt systems. The short hold-downs of the original were placed to go over the battery posts. 12-volt battery posts are not in the same location. The 2 long hold-downs are positioned to go between the posts (although I think they would hit the intercell connectors [remember them?]).

I have at least one cover with an extra piece welded to the bottom side. I haven't figured out where it fits into things.

The front cover should go on the outside of the box (both sides). They are usually a fairly tight fit. A box that has taken on a slight bulge can make installation of the front cover difficult.

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Re: Battery Box

Postby inairam » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:43 pm

Jim -

It is confusing.

I have a TC-37A (reprint /copy) copy of the parts manual and it shows a 4 bumper lid as the only option.
TC-37D ( from Rubi's) is the same as A.

My TC-37E ( original) has 2 & 4 bumper versions shown without the serial number note that TC-37F v6 ( original) has. It just says for the short bumpers "used only with four retainer type cover"

I had only seen 4 bumper covers until I found the 2 bumper one at my mother's and I thought it was for a different tractor but must be for her '49.
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Re: Battery Box

Postby k hutchins » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:48 pm

My '48 has four "bumpers" on the inside of the cover. 2 long, 2 short, and it is original equipment.
Why is there never enough time to do the job right, but always enough time to do it over. :?:

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Re: Battery Box

Postby Jim Becker » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:41 am

TC-37E is the manual that is mixing everything up. TC-37A and TC-37D are old enough to only cover 6-volt tractors and they only show covers with 4 hold-downs. All versions of TC-37F that I have seen came out after the 12-volt tractors were out and all versions show both styles of cover, with part numbers and serial number breaks that match the change to 12 volts.

TC-37E was originally issued in 1956. I have revision 4, a partial revision dated 5/63. It is still a 6-volt only catalog. The battery box is on page73H, which was part of revision 3, 10/59. That page has an illustration that includes both style covers. However, there is only one listing for a cover. The listing for the cover itemizes the components for a 2 hold-down cover(2 retainers, 2 hold-downs). But the part number is the one for the 4 hold-down cover. The part number for the 2 hold-down cover is nowhere in the catalog.

I suspect that page of the catalog was being updated for the eventual 12-volt changes and a partly updated page was erroneously included in the revision. That entry for the cover should probably be ignored.

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Re: Battery Box

Postby inairam » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:02 am

So TC-37F is flat out wrong on this issue?
When you only have 9 horsepower you need to know the names of all of the ponies!

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Re: Battery Box

Postby tmays » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:13 am

inairam wrote:So TC-37F is flat out wrong on this issue?

Wouldn’t be the first time there’s been a mistake in the manuals. :-)
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Re: Battery Box

Postby Jim Becker » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:13 am

inairam wrote:So TC-37F is flat out wrong on this issue?

No. as I said in my previous post, "TC-37E is the manual that is mixing everything up.".


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