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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Shane Nelson » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:23 pm

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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Peter Person » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:02 pm

The three photos that would be most helpful;
1) Straight on at axle level.
2) Straight down from above.
3) Side view at axle level.

Check out these photos on TM Tractor: http://www.tmtractor.com/tm-tractor/gst/gst_001.htm

Getting the axle loose may be difficult, so concentrate on adjusting the tie rod ends.
Put wedges between the axle and the steering gear housing, lift the tractor off the ground just enough to turn the wheel easily, and center the steering gear arm. Unscrew the end cap of the tie-rod and disconnect, adjust the tie-rod end in or out as necessary. You may need to play around with this a bit to get the wheels aligned. There are shims in the steering gear arm that get removed as the "ball" on the tie-rod wears. As the ball wears you get play that adds wobble. Same thing happens on the steering arm end.

From the photo you posted, it almost looks like your right steering arm is bent. Again, the photos from TM Tractor are a good reference.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Rjpoog1989 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:23 pm

Pictures aren’t the greatest with pieces of the plow in the way, but hopefully they help. It does looks like the one tie rod is a lot longer, but things look slightly bent as well. Looks like things will be hard to break loose, as it seems they were painted over while together.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Peter Person » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:55 pm

This is what the tie-rod looks like taken apart;
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The axle appears to be out the same on each end, so everything is in the tie-rod.

You will need to disconnect the tie-rod as noted earlier and also take it apart to slide the "detent-ed" portion in further. This could be problematic if it's bent at all. They straighten fairly easy in a vise or press.

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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Bob McCarty » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:40 pm

You might want to measure the toe in of the front tires. That should give an indication of how much adjustment is needed. If the toe in is close to correct, there is probably something bent.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Stanton » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:14 pm

Let's see...somebody on here did a thread in the How To Forum about Loosening Stubborn Tie Rods.

Some others on cleaning / removing your adjustable axle (that won't adjust anymore):

By the way, nice attachments to your post. You did good. Now, they'll never get separated or lost. 8)
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Dale Finch » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:38 pm

What I find strange is that the top view DOES show the tie rods parallel to the front axle in that plane, but the front view does not. It appears to me that either the center steering arm is bent up, or the steering knuckle arms are bent down...more on the right (left in the photo).

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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Rjpoog1989 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:43 pm

Stanton wrote:By the way, nice attachments to your post. You did good. Now, they'll never get separated or lost. 8)


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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Rjpoog1989 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:48 pm

Dale Finch wrote:What I find strange is that the top view DOES show the tie rods parallel to the front axle in that plane, but the front view does not. It appears to me that either the center steering arm is bent up, or the steering knuckle arms are bent down...more on the right (left in the photo).


I’m not good with technical terms here, but the vertical part that comes down to the wheel. Should that be perfectly vertical assuming the tractor is on flat ground? You can’t quite tell in my pictures, but the wheels are set a bit towards the rear of the tractor from the axle. That has the steering arms slightly pointed down.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Dale Finch » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:02 pm

Ahhh...hadn't seen that before, but check to see if the hole that the large pin goes through on the axle clamps is wallered out. You may have found where some of the problem lies...in addition to the rod length differences

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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Crimson Tim » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:19 pm

Yes. Look at the side view image above. The axle has definitely tipped the knuckles down quite a lot. Maybe, as Dale says, the holes are wallered, or maybe someone put undersize bolts in the axle in order to drive it around to break the front axle adjustment loose, but then never went back to put the right sized bolt back in?

Edit: that also explains why the right knuckle looks worse, even though the knuckles look identical. The knuckles aren’t distorted, it’s just that the right side has tilted more.

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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Smokeycub » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:38 pm

Rjpoog1989 wrote:the vertical part that comes down to the wheel. Should that be perfectly vertical assuming the tractor is on flat ground? You can’t quite tell in my pictures, but the wheels are set a bit towards the rear of the tractor from the axle.


In a word - yes. They should be straight up and down. If something is loose or worn it's pretty easy to tell where the problem is when the front wheels are off the ground. Possibly the bolster is broken where the pivot pin attaches or (less likely) the holes and/or pins for the width adjustment are worn and sloppy, "wallered out" as some would say. If the spindles are bent - well - that may be a difficult fix, possibly have to replace those parts of the axle.

As to your L 54 on a standard Cub, I think I would investigate adding extensions to the front hangers. That would improve the angle of the plow to the ground and give you some room to better operate your crank.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Cubfriend » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:54 pm

Center of hub should be at least inline with axle vertically if not slightly ahead of axle. 3 degrees comes to mind but I can’t remember where that figure came from. (Caster angle) Can anyone else chime in on the caster measurement?
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Bill Hudson » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:46 pm

Yes, the right front wheel/axle assembly is easily 90% of your steering problem. BTDT. The tie rod issue will also need to be addressed.

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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Dale Finch » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:48 pm

Smokeycub wrote:Possibly the bolster is broken where the pivot pin attaches or (less likely) the holes and/or pins for the width adjustment are worn and sloppy,

I had a cub whose front axle appeared to have been badly abused at some point, with gussets welded in at both ends, as well as to the area in the middle where the pivot pin (shaft) goes through. You might check that center area well, also.


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