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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Glen » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:24 am

Hi,
The bottoms of the spindle shafts should point ahead slightly, on both sides of the front axle.
The right side looks like it is pointed behind in your pic, I'm not sure if it is, or if it is just the pic.
The angle should match the left side, assuming it is good.
If needed, you need to jack up the front axle slightly, and loosen the axle width adjustment clamp on the right side, and try to pull the front wheel ahead, and turn the adjustable part of the axle in the center part of the axle.
You could remove the pin through the clamp, and see if it is wornout from the
Cub being run with the clamp loose, in the past. The holes could be wornout too.
I can't tell without being there.

Below are pics from TM Tractor of how the pin should look, it is a snug fit in the hole.

http://www.tmtractor.com/tm-tractor/gst ... in_001.htm

It looks like the left tie rod is moved out to the 3rd notch, and the right tie rod is all the way in.
Both sides need to be out to the 2nd notch, with the axle out to the 2nd hole on each side, like it is in the pics.

Below is a pic of the adjustable part of the front axle, the shaft going down the the wheel hub is the spindle shaft. Pic from TM Tractor. :)
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Rjpoog1989 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:03 am

Thanks for the help everyone. Looks like a rainy weekend ahead, maybe I’ll get her all straightened up.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Stanton » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:07 am

This picture from Peter's earlier post shows the steering knuckle (I call 'em front spindle) at a slightly forward position:
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There's a cutaway section in the front of the Owner's Manual that may help as well:
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If you find a wallered axle hole, you can weld it up and re-drill. Or, set your axle in or out to a less damaged hole, then reset your tie rods.

Have fun on your rainy weekend.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Lt.Mike » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:35 am

Smokeycub wrote:
As to your L 54 on a standard Cub, I think I would investigate adding extensions to the front hangers. That would improve the angle of the plow to the ground and give you some room to better operate your crank.

RJ, I figured I’d throw this out there again, I have a hanger assembly for a standard Cub that would mount your plow where it needs to be.
If you want I’ll swap it out for your lo-boy assembly. No money exchanged, a straight swap so you have what you need. This way you don’t have to reinvent the wheel. :wink:
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Ps- I’ll be going right past you at the end of May on my way to Barnyad’s Bash. I can hookup with you to make the swap so no postage involved either.

PSS- I took a walk out to the barn and dug it out. It's in perfect condition.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Smokeycub » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:18 pm

Lt.Mike wrote:I have a hanger assembly for a standard Cub that would mount your plow where it needs to be.
If you want I’ll swap it out for your lo-boy assembly. No money exchanged, a straight swap so you have what you need. This way you don’t have to reinvent the wheel.


Sounds like a win/win to me. :coffee:
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Don McCombs » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:46 pm

There are three components that make the difference between an L-54 and a 54A. The lifting lever, the pressure spring assembly and the axle hanger. I'm not sure how changing just one of these components will affect the working geometry of the blade. If it were me, I would keep the original components together. Just my opinion.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Barnyard » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:51 pm

Agree with Don, some people like the Loboy plow on a regular Cub because of the extra lift.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Lt.Mike » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:10 pm

The longer loboy lift arm will not lift the blade as high while the shorter spring rod assembly will lift higher. The hanger assembly would be my only concern as a loboy assembly on a regular Cub does not provide the intended flat push into the load. The plows frame should be parallel to the ground. Angling it downward is putting the force of the load up into the bolster instead of back into the torque tube. Hit that crack in the driveway and you might end up cracking the bolster.
On the lift arm I’m actually using the shorter one from a regular Cub on my Loboy and it provided an additional 2-3” of lift on the blade.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Rjpoog1989 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:21 am

Lt.Mike wrote:
Smokeycub wrote:
As to your L 54 on a standard Cub, I think I would investigate adding extensions to the front hangers. That would improve the angle of the plow to the ground and give you some room to better operate your crank.

RJ, I figured I’d throw this out there again, I have a hanger assembly for a standard Cub that would mount your plow where it needs to be.
If you want I’ll swap it out for your lo-boy assembly. No money exchanged, a straight swap so you have what you need. This way you don’t have to reinvent the wheel. :wink:
Mike
Ps- I’ll be going right past you at the end of May on my way to Barnyad’s Bash. I can hookup with you to make the swap so no postage involved either.

PSS- I took a walk out to the barn and dug it out. It's in perfect condition.
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Your offer is very tempting. I’m just not quite sure I want to separate the pieces of the L-54 that I have. I might want to buy that bracket though.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Rjpoog1989 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:26 am

As for my axle issues. Standing over the cub right now it looks like bother wheels are set behind the axle equally (despite what the pictures show). I’m thinking the axle is in there backwards. Like the right side ought to be in the left. Looking under the tractor it seems set farther forward than in other peoples pictures, which supports my assumption because if you flipped it around it would be farther towards the rear of the tractor.

My question is, hows it come out of there? If I just loosen those clamps I can’t believe they’d open wide enough for it to come out.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Dale Finch » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:31 am

The easiest way I know of to ensure the axle is installed correctly is the grease fitting for the pivot pin should be on the right, behind the axle.

And if I got this right, here is a section of the service manual regarding removal of the front axle.
http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.cleancomputes.com/Cub/Blue%20Ribbon%20Service%20Manuals/GSS-1411%20Service%20Manual%20for%20Cubs%20and%20Lo-boy%20Tractors/Section%203%20-%20Steering,%20Front%20Wheels%20And%20Front%20Axle/Section%203%20-%20Steering,%20Front%20Wheels%20And%20Front%20Axle.htm
Four things to keep in mind:
1. Previous owner may have driven the pivot pin in with a hammer, resulting in some mushrooming of one end. Take a look at both ends, and don't try to drive a mushroomed end out...drive it the other direction.
2. Use a brass drift to drive the pin in and out, to avoid adding to any mushrooming.
3. Make sure you DEFINITELY have the little divots in the pin oriented correctly to allow the bolts to be reinserted without messing up their fine threads. There is almost no way to turn that pin once it's installed.
4. Don't forget to reinstall any needed bushings/spacers when inserting the pin. BTDT! Requires pulling it out again! :?

Good luck!
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Lt.Mike » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:42 am

Rjpoog1989 wrote:
Your offer is very tempting. I’m just not quite sure I want to separate the pieces of the L-54 that I have. I might want to buy that bracket though.

It would have to be a swap as it is now part of a complete setup. I have other local Cubs that I help keep running that the setup may go to someday and my neighbor has 2 loboys that it could go to.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Peter Person » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:10 pm

Here is what Dale is describing;
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Dale,
I think you nailed it. Look at his photo from the side that I asked him to take. Axle is not directly under the steering gear housing. Look where we wedge the axle to stabilize the front when lifting. The pivot is shorter to the front than the rear. The grease zerk is on the right rear in the correct orientation.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Rjpoog1989 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:44 pm

My Grease zerks is up and on the left, so the axle is upside down, not backwards as I originally suggested. That makes perfect sense.

Everything I’ve tried taking apart so far moves very easily. So it should not be overly difficult for the rest. I can’t remember exactly when this was taken apart last. 15 or so years ago.

This will be great to get fixed up, because as it is when you turn a certain way it hits the caster wheels of the woods deck. This will solve that issue completely.
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Re: Picking up a snow plow

Postby Glen » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:39 pm

Hi,
I guess you probably figured out from what Dale posted that the front axle is held on by a large pin, or shaft in the center, it slides out to the front or rear after removing the 2 bolts at the ends of the shaft.
When putting it together, it is easier to jack the front end to just the right height, then the shaft is easier to align, when it is just the right height.
There should be a thick washer at each end of the shaft, be sure to put them back in when assembling the axle. They are numbers 12, and 33, in the pic below.

If you have the axle out, it is a good time to check the 2 bushings in the axle for the pivot shaft, if they are worn, they are replaceable. They are number 28 in the pic below.

Below are pages from the Cub parts manual, if you need them. :)

http://www.farmallcub.info/manuals/cub_ ... 014-02.jpg

http://www.farmallcub.info/manuals/cub_ ... 014-03.jpg
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