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12 volt System

Postby kaleb58loboy » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:23 am

I know know the basics for the one wire 12 volt conversion,what I need to
know is what needs to be changed over to 12 volts ie
amp gauge,fuse,on/off switch,light switch,etc.
My 6 volt system is not worth restoring except
for the distributor.
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Re: 12 volt System

Postby Shane Nelson » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:30 am

You can change the amp gauge if you want to a 30 instead of the 20 and a resistor in the wire going to the distributor and that's it. Here's a link to the resistor. https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produ ... _vc=-10005
Here's the simplest of simple alternators to do it. https://www.dbelectrical.com/products/c ... 12180.html
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Re: 12 volt System

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:17 pm

You will also need different bulbs in the lights.
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Re: 12 volt System

Postby Shane Nelson » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:21 pm

John *.?-!.* cub owner wrote:You will also need different bulbs in the lights.

YES! I forgot about the momentary bright flash and then no lights.
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Re: 12 volt System

Postby kaleb58loboy » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:10 pm

30 amp gauge with 35 amp alternator?
12 volt coil with internal resister?
6 volt light switch for 12 volt system?
What amp fuse in control panel?
Change wire gauge in control panel?
Change on/off switch?
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Re: 12 volt System

Postby Landreo » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:21 pm

If the Tractor supply description is correct then that ballast resistor would not be correct. Ford tractors had a ballast resistor for their 6 volt systems. That is not the one you want. You need one that is around 1.5 ohms. Ballast resistors vary in ohms depending on the application. Here is a link to a NAPA version but there are many ICR numbers available that vary in the resistance.The ICR13 version should work well. Another option is to not use the original 6v coil, forget the resistor, and just get a true 12v coil for NAPA for around $25.

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/ECHICR13

Unlikely you will use 35 amps so the old meter should be fine. If you are worried then switch to a higher amp meter.
Same fuse unless the new 12v bulbs are significantly higher amp.
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Re: 12 volt System

Postby ajhbike » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:22 pm

For my 6 to 12 volt conversion....I used the same ammeter, the same light switch with the same fuse, the same on/off switch, the same coil (but put a $7 resister from TSC). I changed the bulbs and used 10ga wire because I had a spool of it and bought the DB Electric alternator.

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Re: 12 volt System

Postby Shane Nelson » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:30 pm

ajhbike wrote:For my 6 to 12 volt conversion....I used the same ammeter, the same light switch with the same fuse, the same on/off switch, the same coil (but put a $7 resister from TSC). I changed the bulbs and used 10ga wire because I had a spool of it and bought the DB Electric alternator.

This is what I did on Walt (1949 Cub) resistor from TSC etc, the 20 amp gauge works fine with the lights on etc. Arnold (1947 Cub) has a bigger amp gauge just because I had to buy one that worked anyway and he is sporting a magneto so no resistor needed. They both have original switches, fuses etc. All I changed was the bulbs in the lights.
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Re: 12 volt System

Postby Eugene » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:45 pm

I installed a 60 amp gauge. All my alternators are the 62 amp Delco clones. If the tractors sits for a while or I have to jump start them, the amp gauge will register well above 30 amps.
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Re: 12 volt System

Postby tobaccoman » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:27 pm

Since I want to do a 12V conversion, I still have questions after reading all of these posts. Guess I need a step-by-step explanation.
Some of the questions are:
Does it matter which terminal on the ammeter you run the one wire from alternator to? And do you have to reverse all the wires from one terminal to the other going from Pos ground to Neg ground to make the ammeter read correctly?
What do you do with the existing wires running to the voltage regulator? Just disconnect and tape each one?
What fan belt do you use? Original or what length for a new one. I will be using the Shane Nelson type alternator. Can you use the existing adjuster to mount the alternator?
Think I understand all the other thing to do, but if you all could help me out on these steps, I would appreciate it. Thanks.

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Re: 12 volt System

Postby Drfting1 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:48 pm

There is a few different ways it can be done I guess, I did a lot of research myself, this is the diagram I used, just minus the resistor, the coil I installed had one built into it already, I used a DB AND0525 Alternator 35 amp I got off amazon, always kicks in right away and a pertronix 40011 flame thrower coil (overkill probably...but nice spark), while I was at it, I upgraded to electronic ignition. had to get a new bracket to mount alternator on, original belt was just a little small, new meter and made a new wire harness, I used original light switch, modified it just to be used as an on off switch. New 12v headlights are a bit too big for original pancake housing, with a little play I managed with a new rubber gasket to get ring to grab it tight with bulb. Used tractor all summer for stuff around house, never had any issues
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Re: 12 volt System

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:04 pm

kaleb58loboy wrote:30 amp gauge with 35 amp alternator? or could change to voltmeter, which ever you prefer
12 volt coil with internal resister? or could use same coil and use external ballast resistor. (would be my preference).
6 volt light switch for 12 volt system? no need to change
What amp fuse in control panel? Can use same 20 amp fuse, or drop to 15.
Change wire gauge in control panel? no need to change
Change on/off switch? no need to change
See my notes inside the quote
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Re: 12 volt System

Postby Willy » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:35 pm

Someone else did the conversion for my father in law when the Cub was "restored". Since I've had it I rewired it as the original wiring was kept and it was in terrible shape when I got it. The light bulbs and coil were already changed to 12v during the conversion.

I've kept the original 20-0-20 ammeter so far although it shows charge and I've yet to catch it showing a discharge which makes me think it's not in that great a shape. I did reverse the leads on it shortly after the conversion as it conversion also changed the battery ground from positive to negative and it was reading backwards.

I'm using a 25 amp fuse as it's what I had on hand and I wasn't sure which way to go on one.

I've also changed to a resistor coil to eliminate the ballast resistor and simplify things.
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Re: 12 volt System

Postby kaleb58loboy » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:02 am

Great site,thanks for all the replies.
I now have peace of mind with the 12 volt conversion,
common sense comes into play here,one does not
just slap on a 12 volt alternator and assume(first 3 letters in assume)
you are good to go.
Again,thanks.
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