Got a 140 this weekend

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Re: Got a 140 this weekend

Postby Super A » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:58 pm

billy clay wrote:farmall51 is the only one that comes when i do a search on it.just curious if others have seen or have the rops.any way to know how many were sold

Did you see his videos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3vCkNaSDio&t=385s

Rops is toward the end of this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmNQQ5jdqUw


(Billy, Just for giggles I guess your remember this bucket of bolts in the opening and at 1:17! Looks much different! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmNQQ5jdqUw )

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Re: Got a 140 this weekend

Postby gitractorman » Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:24 am

Very nice find!!! That looks like the better, balanced head mower that will mow with the cutter bar at any angle, rather than the fixed sickle bar that only mows when in he horizontal position. Very handy, especially like ou want to use it around a pond.

I think you'll find that the thing you are calling a ROPS is really just a canopy. A ROPS is structurally designed to protect the operator should the tractor overturn or "roll over". It is an engineered, structural part, designed to hold up the weight of the entire machine without crushing, thereby protecting the operator. They are typically constructed of heavy gauge square or rectangular tubing, and MUCH heavier than what you have. What you have is just a canopy and support frame. It's only purpose is to hold up the canopy to provide shade for the operator, no protection in a rollover. It is very nice, and I'm sure it works well at providing shade, but you shouldn't expect that it will help you in a rollover.

I'm actually surprised that a municipality allowed someone to construct and install that as it is much more likely to restrict the operator and prevent him from jumping from the tractor if it overturns, thereby actually crushing him. You can tell from your photos that this was fabricated by someone, not actually engineered or designed specifically for that machine.
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Re: Got a 140 this weekend

Postby staninlowerAL » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:20 am

gitractorman wrote:.....I think you'll find that the thing you are calling a ROPS is really just a canopy. ... It's only purpose is to hold up the canopy to provide shade for the operator.....
It should provide some protection from brush and limbs.

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Re: Got a 140 this weekend

Postby Stanton » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:57 am

Agree with gitractorman. If you're wanting a bone fide ROPS, then this is not it. Otherwise, if you just want a canopy, there are companies who make them less restrictive. Don't know what kind of slope is around your pond, but I'd think very carefully before using that particular top.

The 140 is great! Nice save! Let us know your progress and how it runs.
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Re: Got a 140 this weekend

Postby Super A » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:27 am

gitractorman wrote:Very nice find!!! That looks like the better, balanced head mower that will mow with the cutter bar at any angle, rather than the fixed sickle bar that only mows when in he horizontal position. Very handy, especially like ou want to use it around a pond.

I think you'll find that the thing you are calling a ROPS is really just a canopy. A ROPS is structurally designed to protect the operator should the tractor overturn or "roll over". It is an engineered, structural part, designed to hold up the weight of the entire machine without crushing, thereby protecting the operator. They are typically constructed of heavy gauge square or rectangular tubing, and MUCH heavier than what you have. What you have is just a canopy and support frame. It's only purpose is to hold up the canopy to provide shade for the operator, no protection in a rollover. It is very nice, and I'm sure it works well at providing shade, but you shouldn't expect that it will help you in a rollover.

I'm actually surprised that a municipality allowed someone to construct and install that as it is much more likely to restrict the operator and prevent him from jumping from the tractor if it overturns, thereby actually crushing him. You can tell from your photos that this was fabricated by someone, not actually engineered or designed specifically for that machine.


I didn't look at Billy's original picture closely. But nope that's not the IH version. Here's a link to a discussion about one a buddy of mine just bought: http://www.redpowermagazine.com/forums/ ... 0-tractor/

And a page from the parts book. Note the seatbelt. https://partstore.caseih.com/us/parts-s ... 85ar695177

Turning a 140 over would be a wild ride even with the rops.....and it would be awful if you didn't wear that seatbelt! :shock:

Billy that's an interesting tractor. That hydraulic system is for sure like nothing I've seen before!

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Re: Got a 140 this weekend

Postby billy clay » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:45 pm

it has 2.5inch rear tube,2 inch front tube with 1/8 inch wall thickness, weighs a few hundred pounds.The mounting brackets on the tractor are 3/8 inch. The man i got it from had 2 tractors with this setup, the other had already been sold when i got there.
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Re: Got a 140 this weekend

Postby gitractorman » Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:35 pm

Yes, that is all some substantial material, but it's still just a home made canopy. Roll over protection systems (ROPS) are ENGINEERED PROTECTION SYSTEMS!!!! Not something that someone threw together in a shop!!! They are designed with the full intent and sole purpose of protecting an operator in a roll-over accident. They are not canopy frames, and they NEVER hinder or impede egress from the drivers seat.

What you have is a nice, home made, canopy frame. Yes, it was made with some substantial material, but it is NOT a ROPS.
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Re: Got a 140 this weekend

Postby Pops140 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:22 am

That is nice set up I'm jelious. Yea I watch Farmall 51 on the tube I figured that's who you were talking about. I noticed your rops has more bracing on the downside than Farmall 51's. I absolutely love the yellow 140"s and that one with the tops takes the cake I'm curious what you picked it up fir

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Re: Got a 140 this weekend

Postby Chipmaker » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:36 am

gitractorman wrote:Yes, that is all some substantial material, but it's still just a home made canopy. Roll over protection systems (ROPS) are ENGINEERED PROTECTION SYSTEMS!!!! Not something that someone threw together in a shop!!! They are designed with the full intent and sole purpose of protecting an operator in a roll-over accident. They are not canopy frames, and they NEVER hinder or impede egress from the drivers seat.

What you have is a nice, home made, canopy frame. Yes, it was made with some substantial material, but it is NOT a ROPS.

ROPS are useless unless you have your seat belt on. How many people you think wear their seat belt on a tractor? I lost a very dear friend a couple years ago due to a tractor rollover accident and he had his seat belt on. He actually called his wife afterwards and told her to call 911. The helicopter came and he got in it under his own power and passed that night due to internal organ failure. NOTHING will protect you from EVERYTHING but ROPS do help. Something is better than nothing.
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Re: Got a 140 this weekend

Postby Matt Kirsch » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:04 pm

The difference is the engineered ROPS will behave a predictable way in a rollover because it was designed and tested, then redesigned and retested until it met OSHA standards. Your canopy may hold up famously, or it may collapse like a beer can due to bad design or bad fabrication, trapping you inside. There's just no way to know that without testing it.

I've personally seen much stouter-looking fabrications fail under less extreme conditions than a 4000lb tractor rolling over.

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Re: Got a 140 this weekend

Postby 61Cub51 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:08 pm

billy clay wrote:Rops bar
Interesting R.O.P.S must be from a aftermarket supplier . I have one on my 140 and its like the ones in the buyers guides .
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