An Icky Surprise

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An Icky Surprise

Postby Saucymynx » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:30 pm

I finally got around to doing some work on my “new” 140. I started with changing some of the fluids. I first changed the engine oil and cartridge filter, which went well, except for the new leak at the bolt head (there was a pretty mushed brass-ish washer there - is that part available?). I then drained and refilled the hydraulic fluid - no problem (i didn’t clean the screen because i didn’t have the gasket - nex t time). Then came the transmission fluid....i pulled the drain plug and....butter came out! Not really butter, but the same consistency. Actually somewhere between 90 weight oil and lithium grease. And a bronzy color. I actually put my finger in the frain hole and scooped some out! Gross! After about 30 min it stopped glopping out, so i refilled with Hytran. It ran fine - made the same tranny whining it did before. But here’s my question...how do i clean that crap out? Will it it dissolve with fresh fluid and dilute over time? I was tempted to fill it with diesel and slosh it around but i didn’t. Any suggestions, short of takingthe whole darn thing apart?

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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby Dale Finch » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:47 pm

With cubs, the recommendation is, indeed, add the equivalent amount of kerosene or diesel, drive it around a bit, drain it, then add the correct amount of fluid...with the cub it's gear oil. Don't know about the 140, but that would get a bit pricey if it has to be HyTran!

A milky consistency is common...moisture from condensation and/or rain or washing it via the gear shifter.

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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby Barnyard » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:06 pm

Drain what's in it first, then add the diesel fuel, drive it a bit, drain the diesel, add the correct level of gear lube.
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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby Jim Becker » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:15 pm

If it is really bad, you might consider doing the kerosene/Diesel fuel flush twice before refilling with the proper oil. Also, each time you should let it drain a long time (like at least over night) before putting the drain plug back in. The thicker the crud, the longer you should let it drip.

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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby Lt.Mike » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:04 pm

I knew of the kerosene trick and wondered if diesel would do. Glad that’s a choice as with diesel for here is at $2.79 a gallon with kerosene here at $7 a gallon. :roll:
To use and toss I’m glad diesel will do.
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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby Saucymynx » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:24 am

Thanks for the advise. I will give that a shot. The manual does say hy-tran. It does seem a bit thin, but anything but peanut butter is thin compared to what came out!

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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby Saucymynx » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:57 am

By the way, does anyone know where i might find a replacement washer for the bolt that goes through the top of the oil cannister? It is leaking pretty bad now.....

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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby Eugene » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:03 am

The brash washer. Hardware store for a brass washer or auto parts store for oil pan drain plug gasket.

Since you have already install hy-tran, operate the tractor for a while then do a gear lub change.
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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby Lt.Mike » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:00 pm

I took my wife’s Jeep to church today and heard that unmistakable sound of a brake pad that’s worn out. Swung by the parts store on the way home and swapped out the pads once home.
As long as I was already dirty I decided to drain the trans fluid in the ‘52 Cub we recently picked up. It had that milky discharge from the axles weep hole.
You know I just changed the gear oil on my neighbors Cub that sat out in the weather for 5 years and it looked pretty good. This tractor was always stored in a shed (?) , and now I know what you’ve described as butter.
Did yours look like this?
https://youtu.be/yxdnz7DjdwQ
Paula said it looks like pancake batter. ;)
I refilled, ran it through it’s paces and drained it twice with diesel. It still didn’t clean it 100% but it was a lot better. (Thanks for the tip)
I refilled it and we’ll use it for a few months then with the warmer weather I’ll change it again.
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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby Saucymynx » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:04 pm

Pancake batter describes that goop perfectly, Mike! The gunk in mine was a bit thicker and more bronze in color. per Eugene, i will drive the hy-tran fill around for a while and then do the diesel flush

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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby Lt.Mike » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:19 pm

Be prepared to do the diesel flush more than once. That was nasty. It’s no fun in cold weather either as it is literally molasses in wintertime.
Thinking I was going to quiet the trans a little more I refilled with 85-140 gear oil. In less than 30 degree weather it was like pouring vasiline.
Seemed like a good idea till I did it. :roll:
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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:42 pm

Finding a transmissi9n full of sludge like that is bad, but not too difficult to solve, as long as the bearings are ok. Finding an engine like that means you are in trouble though. Been there on a cub. Had to replace the engine, it was too far gone to bore.
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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby AL Farmall Boy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:59 pm

would love to see pictures of your newly acquired tractor!
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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby Lt.Mike » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:41 pm

AL Farmall Boy wrote:would love to see pictures of your newly acquired tractor!

Yes, you’ve been holding out on us . :)
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Re: An Icky Surprise

Postby Saucymynx » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:42 pm

I’ve been holding out for decent weather to take some pictures :-). If the rain ever stops here and the sun comes out I’ll take a few shots and put them up


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