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She said it was a Cub..... My saga begins.

Postby wvpolekat » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:27 pm

So, my wifes grandmother hears I am on the lookout for a tractor to go with the 14 acres we just bought. She tells us that her sister still has their fathers tractor up at the old farm and we should give her a call.

The wife finally gets in touch with her last night and is told that it is a 1950 Farmall Cub and that the motor is froze up, and she would take $300 for it if we are interested.

This morning, we take a little drive in the country to have a look at it. Low and behold it isn't a Cub at all, but a Super A. Further investigation reveals it is not a 1950 either, it is a 1949.

Now, it's a little rough around the edges, but appears more or less complete. We picked up the beast, a 2 bottom plow, grader/snow blade, harrow/rake, and a "buck rake" for $500 along with another Farmall we are still trying to ID. I think we did pretty good on it.

The "buck rake" as she referred to it was contraption that mounted on a frame at the front which had several 3 foot sharpened wooden poles sticking out of it. Appeared to be something of a manure bucket or similar. It is pretty rotten and will more than likely be used as scrap.

The plow was attached and appears to be complete. It is mounted to a spring loaded contraption underneath that appears to be attached to the drawbar, with the drawbar pointing towards the front of the tractor. Hard to get a good look until we drag it out of the shed.

The rake is just that, 3 rows of 4 tines on a metal frame. Appears to be in decent condtion considering it's age.

I haven't determined if the grader/plow assembly is a home built one or not. Will know more once I get it out of the shed.

As for the extra tractor, completely unsure what it is other than a Farmall with no sheetmetal and a tricycle frontend.

Now, for the main attraction......

It's a 49 Super A, motor is frozen, sheetmetal has a nice coat of surface rust but no significant dents or rust throughs. Has been converted to alternator and I assume 12v. Rear tires appear decent with no significant cracks. Front have been converted over to car/truck wheels and tries.

So, that's my Farmall story to this point. We are going to try to get up there with the trailer next weekend, drag it out of the shed and somehow get it up on the trailer. The goal is to restore it and I am sure there will be a fair number of questions.

Some pictures:
From the front
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Right side engine
http://www.wvpolekat.com/Farmall/49SuperA/IMGP0661.JPG
Left side engine
http://www.wvpolekat.com/Farmall/49SuperA/IMGP0662.JPG
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Postby Jeff Silvey » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:35 pm

Welcome to this forum.
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Postby wvpolekat » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:36 pm

Oh, I forgot about the sicklebar mower that is in working order. :)
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Postby Bigdog » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:08 pm

Nice find! Welcome aboard!

You still in WV? if so - what part?
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Postby wvpolekat » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:10 pm

Yep, still in WV, Buckhannon. Right by Sago of CNN fame from a year ago. Actually, the wife is from here, I was transplanted here a year ago from Houston and have loved every Hurricane free moment of it.

Guess I should put some info in my profile.
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Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:18 pm

great find. super A is a wet sleeve engine, so it may be better to put in new sleeves and pistons than to get the old ones free.

The buck rake you describe is probably for picking up piles of loose hay.

Is the plow a 2 way (one molboard turned each way)? A regular 2 bottom would be quite a load for a Super A, unless they were 10 inch bottoms.
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Postby wvpolekat » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:22 pm

I have thought about resleeving instead of rebuilding. But, I would like to at least give freeing it up an effort. We don't have a barn/shed/anything up at the property yet, so until that happens, I would like to postpone major surgery.

On the plow, I honestly do not know. It is still buried in the shed and hard to get a good look at, but here is the one picture I snapped if you can make it out:
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Postby George Willer » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:33 pm

Polekat,

What you describe was also known as a buck rake up here in northern Ohio. They were often mounted on old shortened car chassis called "doodlebugs".

The plow gives enough clues to identify it as a 2 way or hillside plow.

Now we need to see pictures of the other tractor!
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Postby Bigdog » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:33 pm

2 - way! Nice find!
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Postby Rudi » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:34 pm

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Postby parts man » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:37 pm

Looks like a 2 way. :wink:
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Postby wvpolekat » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:58 pm

So, I have some dumb questions about getting this thing out of the shed and to it's new home.

The plow is currently resting on the ground, and since it doesn't run, I can't really raise it. Is this simply a matter of lifting it and chaining it up?

I am assuming that the best way to get it out of it's current spot is a chain and the truck in 4 low? The area in front of the building is grass and uphill slightly. Unfortunately, we don't have another tractor available to pull it with, so that just leaves us with the wifes Pathfinder, since my 2wd F-250 is useless on anything but level, flat ground. Pretty confident it will be able to pull it out of there once we air the tires up.

Now, for what I fear will be the worst part. Getting it up on the trailer. I have a couple of ideas here:

1) Come-along on the front of the trailer to pull it up. My shoulder does not like this option one bit. :)

2) Attach a pulley to the front of the trailer, run a cable to the front of the tractor, then the other end to the truck pulling at 90 degrees to the trailer. Would have to make sure everyone is WAY out of the way of the cable in case of failure.

3) Pull the tractor up on a hill a bit, put the trailer downhill from it, use the hill to roll it on the trailer. This isn't as drastic as it sounds, it won't be a bonzi run to the trailer, think a more gentle slope.

I really think i will end up with a combination of 2 and 3, but I suspect that we will just have to think creatively and use what we have.

If worse comes to worse, I can borrow a roll back from a family friend, but I really hate to do that unless all other options fail.

And finally....

I really have no use for some of the implements. This project is more of a sentimental one for the wife than expecting to end up with a tractor I expect to "farm" with. So the plow, for example, is not of much use to me. Is there much of a market for these? Couple of the replies seemed to think the 2 way plow was a bit of a find.

Her attachment is more to her great grandpa's tractor than the bits attached to it. We are hoping to get it running and such this winter/next spring to be able to run it in the Strawberry Festival parade. This may be a bit too optimistic of a goal, but we can try.

Looks like worst case scenario for the engine itself is re-sleeving, which really simplifies thing in a way. Turns it into more of a parts change than having to send things out to the machine shop and such. Wife is already asking for sandpaper to start on the hood.

Reckon this also gives me a reason to obtain, build a sandblasting rig, which also means a bigger air compressor. Ah, let the money hemmoriging begin!

Sorry for the rambling. Just happy to have found this and have a chance to get it back running and let her family see the old family tractor up and running again.
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Postby Bigdog » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:20 pm

I'd wait until I had the tractor running before I decided to get rid of the implements. Once you have it up and running you might be surprised what you want to keep.
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Postby Jim Becker » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:34 pm

A few thoughts. First off, don't be too quick to dismiss the implements as something you don't want. With 14 acres, you will probably find that you want to play with the tractor. I think a bare tractor with no implements gets fairly uninteresting pretty quickly. Whether you plan to keep or sell any of the implements, do your best to gather up all the pieces that are scattered around in or outside the barn. Missing pieces make them hard to use or sell. (For a start, I can see a crank, implement wrench and a bent headlight bracket in a box below the tractor. A knife for the mower is next to the shovel.)

On moving and loading, get a chain or cable long enough to reach back to the drawbar when pulling it. You just got it so no point pulling into two pieces and converting it to scrap iron first thing. THIS IS NOT A JOKE.

You probably can lift the plow (one side at a time) and temporarily shorten the lift chains to get it off the ground while moving it. In one picture, I can see the right chain is in an original type hook, so you can just rehook it shorter. The left is probably the same.

Post a picture of the other tractor and we can probably identify it.
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Postby wvpolekat » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:56 pm

Next time we are out there, I will take a pic of the other carcass. I did not look at it too closely.

So, if I am understanding correctly, I should pull it from the front by using the drawbar? And not pull it by the front axle? Seems that I have bigger problems if I risk breaking the machine in half by pulling it by the front...

There is a frame of some sort that you can see in the picture that runs from the very front, underneath to the same points the drawbar attaches to. Think that would be ok?
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