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question on hand crank

Postby jdeere86 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:28 pm

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was looking at another 140 today ---battery was dead ...owner found the crank ....it cranked and started up when the battery had jumper cables on it ...without them it would not turn over ...i thought you could run them without any battery and just the crank?? does that mean generator or something else may be trouble?

had original gas and lot of crud in sediment bowl so it needed the choke to stay running....was able to drive it a little before puttered out..probably have to take apart carb

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Re: question on hand crank

Postby Barnyard » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:09 pm

If it was a distributor ignition you need an electrical source to crank it. If it had a magneto it would produce its own power source.
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Re: question on hand crank

Postby havoc1482 » Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:15 pm

You said it wouldn't turn over without the cables connected, but you didn't specify if it started without them.

Did you remove the cables and then it died? If you handcranked it with jumper cables on it then essentially all you did was have you act as the starter. If the tractor stops running when you removed the cables then it means the gen/alt wasn't putting out enough (or any) power to keep the system running OR the power isn't getting to the battery from the generator (faulty cables)
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Re: question on hand crank

Postby Matt Kirsch » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:57 pm

Nearly all IH tractors built after 1950 have a battery ignition, unless specially ordered with a magneto, so 99.99% chance this 140 has a battery ignition, and a dead battery.

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Re: question on hand crank

Postby AL Farmall Boy » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:52 pm

Also, I've never seen a 140 (with the original motor at least) that had the ears on the front engine pulley to allow a crank to be used. They all had the "crank hole" in the front nose piece/cowl, but I've never seen one that had the pulley to accept a crank.
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Re: question on hand crank

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:46 pm

As I recall, there was some weirdness about using a crank on a 240 (same engine and time period as 140). Seems like an A crank wouldn't fit but a Cub crank could be used.

It was a long time ago. We never crank started the 240 but used one occasionally when working on it.

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Re: question on hand crank

Postby AL Farmall Boy » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:43 pm

Jim Becker wrote:As I recall, there was some weirdness about using a crank on a 240 (same engine and time period as 140). Seems like an A crank wouldn't fit but a Cub crank could be used.

It was a long time ago. We never crank started the 240 but used one occasionally when working on it.


Jim,

You are correct......all of the Farmall 140's I've had/seen, the crank hole was only large enough to accept the Cub crank. The 'A' sized crank would not fit in the hole. Now, as I said before, I can't recall ever seeing a 140 with a crankshaft pulley with "ears" to accept the operation of a hand crank
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Re: question on hand crank

Postby Jim Becker » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:13 pm

I checked a couple parts catalogs. By the books, the 140 and 240 both had pulleys with no crank lugs but they were held on by nuts that had the crank lugs. There was a plain nut used if the tractor was going to be used with a front PTO (like loader pump drives). I don't have the first hand exposure to 140s to know if they typically had the nut with the lugs as called out in the catalogs. I know that our 240 did.

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Re: question on hand crank

Postby AL Farmall Boy » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:49 pm

I can check a 1968 Farmall 140 this evening as I just pulled off the front cowl last night. Getting ready to start cleaning her up and going through it for a freshening up. I will report back what I found.
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Re: question on hand crank

Postby Clownfish » Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:22 pm

A couple of weeks ago while attending CUBRAMA I went by JP Tractor Salvage and they had some of the pulley nuts with the lugs for a hand crank for the 140. I bought a hand crank and they used one of the nuts to show me that it was the correct crank for the 140. I was getting the crank for a friend and have not had a chance to see if it works on the tractor. I will keep my fingers crossed.

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Re: question on hand crank

Postby AL Farmall Boy » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:28 pm

AL Farmall Boy wrote:I can check a 1968 Farmall 140 this evening as I just pulled off the front cowl last night. Getting ready to start cleaning her up and going through it for a freshening up. I will report back what I found.


Got this tractor torn down for cleanup and paint the other night. Here is what I've found. I have yet to see a Farmall/IH 140 tractor with the "Crank nut" and I've refurbished around 12 over the last few years.
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