Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:05 pm
I am in the market for a good set of manuals (owners, parts, & service) for a Farmall 140 tractor, particularly the late 60's to mid 70's model 140 (12 volt gen. model). I realize that the manuals for the Super A and Farmall 100 are very similar and can be found on this site; however I would like the original set for the 140 specificially due to the different changes, so Rudi can scan them for the site, etc.
My question is.....does anyone know where I can find some good USED ones that are original and are for the model and style range tractor I am inquiring about? I'm worried about the re-prints because of the quality, and/or the specific model year it is covering (example: if it is covering the 1958 Farmall 140 with the 6 volt system & old bodystyle, I might as well look at the Farmall 100 & 130 manual). If I go with the "reprints", I'd like them to be like the originals, and not just the "photocopy" like I could do myself If I had the manual. I have ordered a Touch Control Manual from Binder Books and didn't care for the small size of the manual. I don't understand why they couldn't have made it a normal 8.5x11 size.
Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:30 pm
AL Farmall Boy wrote:I have ordered a Touch Control Manual from Binder Books and didn't care for the small size of the manual. I don't understand why they couldn't have made it a normal 8.5x11 size.
The original Touch-Control Manual was smaller than 8.5x11. I believe the 100/130/140 used a combined parts catalog.
Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:15 pm
Put a search in ebay for what you want and request daily emails. With some key word refinement and words you learn you don't want you can get a good daily digest of exactly what you are looking for. then it is just a matter of patience. I have waited years for some manuals to show up, others can be common enough so you end up being picky about revision dates and condition.
Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:09 am
Ok, Bob. I'll try that. Thanks Jim, I didn't realize they made the manuals originally that small. Why would they do that? If those tractors used a combined parts catalog (which I think I've seen), what about the later model 140 that had different features and options/changes than the 100 and 130? Were those items just not ever listed in a parts catalog? (ie. tachometer, flasher lights, different switches, different steering wheels, spin on oil filter, trailer adapter plug, alternator parts, domed pistons, etc.)
Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:21 am
Why not that small? For years, the typical IH Owner's Manuals were 6.5x9.5. A lot of the handbooks were 5x8.
The 140 parts catalog online at CaseIH has a separate index entry when you look it up by model. But the intro page says it covers the 100, 130 and 140. So I presume all printed 140 catalogs were combined with the 100 and 130. I've never had one new enough to cover the last 15 years or so of production. But the online catalog shows alternators etc. that showed up late in production. The engine is not included in that catalog, even though it was included in some earlier versions. Depending on which version of the catalog you get, you will also need the one for the C-123 engine.
Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:41 am
In general, I found the later parts books to be much more difficult to find. Average users probably did not buy them and the dealer count was shrinking fast in the 70's- at least around here- but if you look at sales figures that makes sense. A lot of the books came out of closed dealers. Owner's manuals too. Fewer newer tractors. I think a lot of the older manuals that you can buy come out of cleaned out attics and estate sales decades after the equipment faded away.
Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:09 pm
bob in CT wrote:In general, I found the later parts books to be much more difficult to find. Average users probably did not buy them and the dealer count was shrinking fast in the 70's- at least around here- but if you look at sales figures that makes sense. A lot of the books came out of closed dealers. Owner's manuals too. Fewer newer tractors. I think a lot of the older manuals that you can buy come out of cleaned out attics and estate sales decades after the equipment faded away.
Parts counters also moved to microfiche then online catalogs. Much less paper was ever generated, even for the dealers that were out there in later years.
Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:55 pm
Good point about the microfiche, Jim. Yeah I've noticed the lack of the engine parts on the online catalog and wonderd why it wasn't there. I just thought it was an oversight of Case/IH when posting it all. Thanks so much for all of the information. Alot to learn about all of the manuals and their history of how they were produced. I'm really wanting to collect a "late style manual" now! I'm gonna look hard and I'm sure I'll find one somewhere someday. An owner somewhere had to have requested one when he bought his 1976-1979 International 140 new. ha
Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:13 pm
IH never released a proper wiring diagram for the alternator Cubs. They must not have been the best of times in engineering documentation....
Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:17 am
That makes sense why this stuff is hard to find. I thought I recall seeing a "factory looking" diagram for the Alternator Cub though. Must have been one somebody drew up. Of all the diagrams to have the one for the 1979 140 would be the one to have since it had the most electrical options (flashers, turn signals, trailer light plug, alternator, neutral safety switch, etc.). All of that stuff is basic, but within that line of tractors, the late model 140 had the most complex system.
Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:29 am
yeah, I've got a late 77 model with flashers.. Been a pain figuring out the light sw and flasher circuit
Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:42 am
AL Farmall Boy wrote:That makes sense why this stuff is hard to find. I thought I recall seeing a "factory looking" diagram for the Alternator Cub though. Must have been one somebody drew up.
That would be me.
Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:27 pm
Bob, can you post it again please
Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:45 pm
David C wrote:Bob, can you post it again please
Navigate up and look for (NEW) Manuals. Find "Service Manuals" Look for "Wiring Diagrams". The one I did is under "12 volt" and it is a modification of the last IH generator diagram to capture the factory alternator Cub wiring diagram as it should have been. Below are some conversion diagrams. I made mine after buying a wiring harness for my long stripe and found no diagram was ever released, so I made one up and even gave it to the harness supplier to use. All the other diagrams came from a now defunct Cub Cadet web site that crashed. I am glad I downloaded them and had them to share with Dennis. Lots of goodies up there in that section.
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