Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby LincTex » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:11 am

Switch the plugs from 1 & 2 with the ones in cylinders 3 & 4 and see if the problem stays with the cylinders....... or follows where the plugs go!

It could also be plug wires. You can eliminate that possibility by switching their locations, too (or "trying" some from another engine). Plugs wires don't fail very often, though.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby CumminSHO » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:54 pm

And I did that. And the problem stayed with the cylinder. Plug wires are new and I agree plug wires don't go bad over night. It's a new distributor cap as well. So I'll check spark by pulling them out individually while trying to start it. If that's not the issue. I would believe fuel or compression. And compression doesn't go bad over night either

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby CumminSHO » Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:09 am

Yes I have now determined that I have spark on all four plugs when I crank the motor over. I have strong spark on all four spark plugs when they were grounded.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby Matt Kirsch » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:29 pm

The tractor is only running on two cylinders.

Since the tractor starts and runs, the carburetor is good enough to say so, and the ignition timing is close enough.

Since all four spark plugs spark, it's not ignition related at all.

The only thing it can be is compression. Have you checked the compression on the cylinders yet?

If the back two cylinders are low, you've probably got a couple of stuck valves from sitting.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby LincTex » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:50 am

Matt Kirsch wrote:The tractor is only running on two cylinders.
If the back two cylinders are low, you've probably got a couple of stuck valves from sitting.


That's possible - - pull the rocker arm cover and try to drip some Marvel Mystery oil down alongside each valve stem. The longer it's allowed to soak, the more carbon it'll loosen up.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby CumminSHO » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:36 pm

I do not have a cylinder compassion tester. I should invest into one because I have come across many occasions that I have needed one. LincTex that is a good idea. That will be the next route. I could run it without the valve cover on to see if anything was sticking too? !

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby Bob McCarty » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:15 pm

You may be able to "borrow" a compression tester from Advance Auto or another local parts store.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby CumminSHO » Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:32 pm

Update:
I pulled the valve cover off and I have one valve stuck and 2 valves are not meeting up with the rocker arm caps. One push rod is bent a little. I'm assuming all the push rods are going to be replaced rather then just one correct?

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby CumminSHO » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:09 pm

I found 2 used push rods on Ebay that I can use. I'm assuming it would be a good idea to pull the head to check to make sure all the valves are good and no other push rods are in good condition. Also I read that the head should not be shaven down more then .005". If I'm this far I would like to shave the head and add a little HP to it. Will a different head gasket be required if I did? Thank you
Lee

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby LincTex » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:13 pm

*IF* you could shave the head an 1/8 of an inch .... it would likely not equal the power of going with domed or fire crater pistons. (or going up to 3.25" pistons & sleeves!). Well maybe it would, but geez that probably ruin the head. Of course, you would need pushrods that much shorter, too.

Just make sure the head is flat & not cracked. I wouldn't mill it if it doesn't need it. Lapping the valves can't hurt.

I'll send you an early Christmas present if you like - Would you like a "Flex-Hone" to polish your valve guides with? Just pay postage and it's yours for free! (NOTE; pulling the valves out will require new valve stem seals to be installed upon reassembly). The valve stems themselves can be polished with fine Scotchbrite.

Soak 'em with Marvel Mystery and whack the tip a bunch of times with a rubber mallet (or block of wood). That usually frees them up.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby CumminSHO » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:39 pm

Yeah I would be interested in the Honing kit. What does that all entail. PM me and I will give you my address.

Also I took the rockers off today and I got the one valve to release but it will not come back up all the way. Where exactly do I want to squirtthe mystery marvel? And only 1 push rod was bent thankfully.

But. ..after a soaked the intake exhaust manifold I snapped the one bolt closets to the radiator. So will an easy out be able to get that out?
Thank you

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby LincTex » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:20 pm

CumminSHO wrote: Also I took the rockers off today and I got the one valve to release but it will not come back up all the way. Where exactly do I want to squirt the mystery marvel? And only 1 push rod was bent thankfully.


Prescription:
Add one drop every day, right where the valve stem meets the valve guide.
Use a small plastic coffee stir straw to get between the coils of the spring... you have to get up under the rubber umbrella.
Let it soak 24 hours, work the valve up and down. Repeat as needed until 100% free.

Since you took the manifold off, you can also squirt a tiny bit of WD-40 or PB Blaster on the stem when the valve is all the way down. Shine a light down in there and see if the valve head is bent.

CumminSHO wrote: ..after a soaked the intake exhaust manifold I snapped the one bolt closets to the radiator. So will an easy out be able to get that out?


Is it flush, or is the piece of stud still sticking up? Do you have a wire-feed welder?

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby CumminSHO » Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:09 am

The exhaust bolt stud is sticking out from the head. So I was going to use my in laws easy out set.

Thank you for advice and I will start squirting it in there to get it loosen up.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby Bob McCarty » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:53 am

Be careful with the ez out. If you break it off the removal goes downhill quickly.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby LincTex » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:30 pm

CumminSHO wrote:The exhaust bolt stud is sticking out from the head.


Shoot, that's easy. Leave the EZ-out set in the toolbox!


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