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It's a 444 not a B414

Postby CapeCodCubs » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:31 am

I was looking at a tractor and bought that I was told was an English made B414 but it turns out it is really a IH 444. More HP I believe and a later model. Anyone know anything about this tractor? This one was a highway tractor with turf tires and very low miles....583 total. As I mentioned I want to pull a baler and it also has a 3 pt hitch (bonus round for me!!!!).
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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby Bigdog » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:13 pm

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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby SONNY » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:59 pm

The problem with the engines in these,(444 and the 2444) is that you cant find a used block for them!!!---I have and am still looking for short block for my 2444!---Have seen lots of the engines, but all were like mine!! SCATTERED !----rods dont seem to stay attached to the crank very well!!!---I think a lot of this problem is abuse by former owners, BUT if you ever need to replace the block ---GOOD LUCK!!! The block has different bolt pattern( clutch housing end) than the regular block in these models and are not interchangeable ---Or thats what Bates Corp. IH Parts told me!!

As for a baler tractor, they are just the nuts for that, as they are easy to drive, well balanced, and have the power to bale with ! thanks; sonny

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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby Virginia Mike » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:00 pm

My cousin raised beef cattle on 115 acres for years using a 444. He plowed, planted, mowed, raked, and pulled a 45 IH baler with it. He went to a bigger tractor when round bales required more horsepower. The 444 is a fine tractor that will serve you well.
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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby CapeCodCubs » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:09 pm

Thanks BD, Sonny and Mike,

Fortunately the block is in fine condition. No wear in the piston area and this is a sleeveless block so that I am told is good. I do have to put the engine back together and need a gasket kit. I was trying to figure out the name of the place to order and there it is....Bates. Thanks!! I'll keep you posted with the engine rebuild project. I do need a clutch, there was nothing attached to the flywheel when I got it and an alternator. Anyone have a wiring diagram? These are a little more involved than the basic wiring of the Cub. Also did this ever have a cab option?
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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby Don McCombs » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:00 pm

Ed Darowski has a 444.
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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby CapeCodCubs » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:27 pm

Don McCombs wrote:Ed Darowski has a 444.


How interesting....never noticed. He has too much stuff. He probably won't notice parts missing. ssssshh! :lol:
Anyone else? Mine is a gas version. I don't know if it is 6 or 12 volt. I only have the engine and misc. parts at my house. The tractor is in Rhode Island awaiting a ride home.
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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby SONNY » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:44 pm

It will be factory 12 volt neg. ground system!-----probably be alt with internal reg.
It is newer than my 404 and 504 but I have some books for these,--now if the wiring is similar maybe we can work with that to at least get you started hooking up engine wires! thanks; sonny

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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby knucklebuster » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:35 pm

I like the 444, kinda like the red headed step child IH. I have always thought they were a good sized machine.
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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby SONNY » Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:56 am

They are a very nice tractor!---My Uncles had a 464 gas in the early 80's and it was about the handiest tractor on the farm!! thanks; sonny

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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby CapeCodCubs » Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:44 pm

One other interesting thing is it is IH highway orange. What is the feeling about leaving it that way?
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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby SONNY » Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:07 pm

If that was the only color it ever had and you want it original,---leave it yellow! they still look good! thanks ; sonny

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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby knucklebuster » Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:30 pm

Chuckwheat Farm wrote:One other interesting thing is it is IH highway orange. What is the feeling about leaving it that way?


By all means leave it orange!
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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby Jim Reid » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:23 am

Are the blocks in the 444 and 2444 different i have a 444 diesel i rebult the engine about fifteen years ago and it has sleeves.
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Re: It's a 444 not a B414

Postby SONNY » Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:17 am

I was thinking that the Diesel version had sleeves,--BUT the gas version was sleeveless !! the gas parts are the hard to find ones,---diesel parts more readily avail.
The block casting number of the gas block is 388575-R1. These motors were used on a few machine models, like 91 or 93 combine, a couple swather models, I have a list of all the exact models and will see if that book has been unpacked yet and can post the interchange list!

A cab was not an option that I am aware of! thanks; sonny


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