Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

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Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby John59 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:52 pm

My Dad’s International 300 Utility was running fine but after an hour or so running the tiller box, it started to lose power and choked out under load. After disengaging the PTO, it would run at idle, but couldn’t take throttling up without cutting off. I disassembled and cleaned the carburetor but it didn’t solve it. Tractor starts with choke out, runs ok for a few minutes With choke pushed back in, but starts to cut off at Med-high throttle. Pulling choke will keep it running at the high throttle. Once it’s good a warmed up, it won’t stay on at any throttle position.
What do you guys think? Could this be a governor issue?
(I tried adjusting the fuel load needle and air intake needle without success)

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby Slim140 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:09 pm

How's the fuel bowl/strainer? Sounds like it's starving for fuel.
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Re: Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby John59 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:23 pm

Fuel bowl and strainer are clean. (As is the copper screen in fuel intake at the carburetor) If I disconnect the fuel line from the carburetor, the fuel dribbles right out at a pretty good clip. Faster than I think the engine would burn it. But Maybe I’m wrong. I could try running off a reserve tank and line to be sure. Thanks for the idea.

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Re: Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby MiCarl » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:30 pm

It's not the governor. It's going to be fuel system (too rich) or the ignition is falling down when hot.
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Re: Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby Don McCombs » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:32 pm

One other possibility is that the coil and/or condenser are breaking down when hot, a sign of imminent failure.
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Re: Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby John59 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:59 pm

Thanks!! I will pursue the coil/condenser/ignition and see if that solves it. Will my local CaseIH dealer have the parts I will need for an old tractor like this??

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Re: Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby Don McCombs » Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:05 pm

Yes. So will a local auto parts store.
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Re: Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby Bill Hudson » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:30 pm

John59 wrote:...the fuel dribbles right out...


Should be a steady stream of fuel. "Dribbles" doesn't meet my perception of a steady stream.

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Re: Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby John59 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:45 pm

Dribble probably wasn’t the right word, but neither is solid stream. I picked up a coil and condenser at NAPA, if that doesn’t work I’ll try a reserve tank. Thank you all for the help. I’ll confirm once it’s solved.

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Re: Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby John59 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:19 am

Replaced coil with no change. Replaced the condenser and got no fire at all. Put the old one back and back to where I started. Will trade condenser back at NAPA and try that again. I’ll also pick up a replacement coil to distributor wire cause it looked kinda bad. Will also get a reserve tank to verify if it’s fuel flow.
Can anyone expand on what other ignition heating issues it might be? I saw where someone said repacking the wire from the ignition key solved their problem, but skeptical it could have any effect in my situation. More than willing to try if it could work.

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Re: Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby tmays » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:02 am

Need to check fuel flow out of the carb bowl and double check that main jet is not clogged. I know you cleaned it but I would check again. Should be steady stream. And check that hole in tank is not partially clogged
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Re: Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby John59 » Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:43 am

Thomas. Got it. Headed out now to check the flow and verify main jet is open. If I run a very fine cooper wire in the main jet port where the load adjust screw seats, should the wire come out the other end, or should i run the wire in the opposite direction? (Will also check fuel flow at bowl and get video if there is any question in my mind on flow rate)
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Re: Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby John59 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:31 am

Solved. We blew compressed air from the carb end of the fuel line until we heard bubbles in the tank. When the fuel came back through the line, the flow was a full steady stream. Tractor ran perfectly for an hour or so. We’ll take off the tank and figure out how to clean it up. Is there any kind of rust inhibitor or coating the we can use inside the tank to prevent further deterioration?
Thank You all for your advice and sharing your knowledge. My Dad and I are both grateful!

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Re: Is this a Cardburetor or Governor issue?

Postby Bob McCarty » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:14 am

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