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Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby BigBill » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:08 pm

Does anyone have the info on an affordable throwout bearing for the standard cub cadets 70 to 1200? Has anyone found a replacement throwout bearing yet other than the orginal IH bearing?
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.
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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby Paul B » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:21 pm

It is a proprietary bearing, and as such, it is only available from Case-IH or Cub Cadet dealer.
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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby wdeturck » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:27 pm

I was just reading Brian Miller's improving the driveline and he don't know where to get a throwout bearing except Cub Cadet they may not be any.
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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby Heller1m » Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:28 pm

Just out of curiosity what is the price of a new throw out bearing?

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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby Dave (69 lo-boy) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:37 pm

I think a new throwout bearing is about 45 bucks.
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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby Paul B » Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:57 pm

The parts look-up on the C & G site says the bearing is $47.99.
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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby wdeturck » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:51 pm

From Brian Miller article above
Saving a Used Throw-Out (Clutch Release) Bearing -
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Throw-Out / Clutch Release BearingIf a used throw-out bearing is still pretty much "tight," but sounds noisy or "rattles" when you spin it by hand, it could be saved from further wear by pumping it full of automotive chassis lube. The same can be done to a new bearing to insure that it will last a long time. (I've done this many times when I rebuild clutch assemblies and have never had one complaint!) The fresh grease will help keep the balls within the bearing lubricated and cool, preventing them from further wear. But if the bearing is badly worn or if you're in doubt about doing this, install a new one. (Cub Cadet part # 741-3056)

IMPORTANT! When assembling the clutch components, never install the throw-out bearing on the driveshaft backwards! Install it with the collar (the center part that sticks out) towards the clutch disc.

How To Save A Used Throw-Out Bearing:

1. Needle grease injector attaches to a grease gunChainsaw bar tip grease gun Drill a 3/32" hole in the grease/dust seal on the back side of the bearing.
2. Wash the entire bearing in cleaning solvent until the rollers are free of the drill cuttings and dirt on the inside. It's clean when the sound changes when it's spun by hand and when it spins more freely.
3. Use compressed air to blow dry the entire bearing, including the inside. But don't spin the bearing with the air! Doing this could further damage the bearing!
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4. Using either a chainsaw bar tip grease gun or a needle grease injector (resembles a hypodermic syringe) that attaches to a grease gun, pump the bearing through the drilled hole until it's full of grease. Turn the bearing 180º and pump it again. It's full when the grease starts to ooze out of the dust seals.
5. Wipe the grease from around the hole with a clean rag and apply a dab of RTV adhesive silicone sealer (clear color) over the hole. The bearing is now good for another 10,000 miles!

The same procedure above can be done to many types of used precision, high-speed sealed roller bearings, besides just throw-out bearings. And for anyone who's ever wondered about this, when the clutch/brake pedal is fully depressed, the throw-out bearing moves back 3/8" on the driveshaft.

By the way - the throw-out bearing used in the model 582 is different than other models. It's an ordinary sealed high speed ball bearing with a sleeve pressed into it. It measures .780" i.d. x 1.850" o.d. x .550" wide. The number is 6204R5 and 180204. These are not Timken numbers. They will need to be cross-referenced.


I would try this before I bought a new throw out bearing.
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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby klejeune » Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:38 pm

I actually did the trick that Brian Miller suggests. Worked great on my 100 and will try it again on the 124 one of these days... it's really noisy.
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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby Heller1m » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:28 pm

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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby BigBill » Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:24 pm

On my 104 thats been left in a shed and then outside for over 20+ years the throwout bearing is starting to sing and squeel now. I'm thinking replacement over lubing it? So far my 100, my 122 and my 108 all need throwout bearings and a little clutch work too. Its going to get costly as they get fixed.
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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby Heller1m » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:43 pm

There is a new throwout bearing listed on epay (for Cub Cadets) (sorry but I don't know how to make the link shorter so it will fit on this page and I know I'll get hollered at if I post a long link)

I can't quite make out all of the number, but it is a "nice" bearing... My point is, IF this bearing works, and the seller from epay is making money at $45.99 each, one should be able to pick up one of these bearings at your local bearing supply store, for a considerable amount less than the sellers price...

Has anyone tried one of these bearings, if so, do they work?

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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby Paul B » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:53 pm

The seller may be a Cub Cadet dealer. Since it is a proprietary bearing, a bearing house cannot legally sell the bearing except to a Cub Cadet/Case IH dealer, with the key word's being "legally sell".
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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby Dave (69 lo-boy) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:34 pm

I don't know if the reason is legal (a patent) or financial (a specialized design that there is no other market for), but there does not seem to be a substitute for this bearing.
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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby junkman1946 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:36 pm

www.midwestsupercub.net Cub Cadet throw out bearing: part # TO1 $39.25. Also, you micrometer and caliper guys go to www.baileynet.com. They have an online cat. with some interesting looking bearings and prices.
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Re: Clutch Throwout Bearing???

Postby Landreo » Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:24 pm

I doubt that any bearing on a cub cadet is proprietary to IHC other than the plastic bushing on the steering shaft. The bearing is an extended center shielded bearing, not all that uncommon. The bore is 1/2 inch, I think, and any extended center shielded with a reasonable axial rating should work. You could just use a plain shielded bearing and place a 1/2 inch bore spacer on it to make the extended center.
The bearing on the web is a NICE 7868-6. Still may be cheaper to get from Carter Gruenwald.
RBC bearings series 7600 looks like it would work.
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