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Look what followed me home

Postby David C » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:04 pm

I'm finally a member of the multiple cub club. I picked up this model 70 last week from a coworker. It's a non-runner :roll: :roll: :roll: But, it has compression on the engine after I put some oil down the spark plug hole. The clutch pedal WONT MOVE at all, Probably due to sitting outside for a few years. Any ideas? As well as a few small parts are missing. Where to start?
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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby Bob Perry » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:10 pm

Good for you, David. Some day you're going to enjoy hearing it run again ! Those are quality machines.
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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby David C » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:12 pm

Sure is heavier than it looks!
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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby dgrapes59 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:26 pm

David,

Congratulations and welcome to the Multi-Cub Club! (…and the Cub Cadet Club!) It looks like a nice find. I brought home an Original that had been setting for over 10 years and I got it running after a little playing with it. :{_}:

Just do the obvious first and see where that gets you. Change fluids, clean carb, clean all electrical contacts including points and plug. I would start spraying bolts and cables with PB Blaster or Kroil and letting them soak for when you have to dig in further. Oh, also start soaking the steering wheel nut, removing the steering wheel may be the hardest thing to do on a Cadet! :wink: The clutch is probably stuck; plates froze to the discs; that will need to be checked once you get the pedal moving. Also check for mouse nests around the engine area.

You will find they are built solid like a Cub but easier to piddle with (and take up much less space!). Just be careful, they tend to breed! :P

Good luck and keep us posted,
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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby dgrapes59 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:30 pm

David,

Oh.. Don't forget to clean the gas tank, lines and fuel strainer, it is just a smaller version of what the Cub has. The fenders are a nice option, does it have lights or a sleeve hitch?
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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby David C » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:59 pm

dgrapes59 wrote:David,

Oh.. Don't forget to clean the gas tank, lines and fuel strainer, it is just a smaller version of what the Cub has. The fenders are a nice option, does it have lights or a sleeve hitch?


Thanks Dave, good to hear from ya.. Sorry, no hitch or lights :( :( :(
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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby gitractorman » Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:41 am

Better check the serial number on the engine. I'm guessing by the looks of the black paint, that it is an 8-hp replacement Kohler, instead of the 7-hp engine that came in it originally. I'm not sure that the 7-hp engine was offered from Kohler as a replacement very long after these tractors were produced, so every one I've ever seen with black paint was an 8-hp. Not a big deal, you just want to make sure you're following the correct specs when you start working on the engine.

If it were me, I'd try to at least get the engine to fire, so you can find out what condition the engine is in. After that, I think I'd strip that one down and go through it. The tractor looks to be in really good overall condition, but with the years of sitting outside, you'll really need to take everything apart, grind off the rust, lubricate it good, and put it back together. Having done this a piece at a time, I can tell you that it's almost easier to just disassemble the whole thing down to the frame and put it back together. Besides, you can have that one down to the frame in about an hour with an impact wrench and a couple of sockets. Don't bother trying to take the dash tower off, as there's really no benefit to removing it, but everything comes apart pretty easy.
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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby David C » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:51 am

Thanks Guys, Ive been spoiled all these years by the massive parts availability locally i.e. RALPH!!!!! So where do you guys go to get cadet parts? (besides local kohler repair stuff)

gitractorman you are right it is a replacement motor 8 hp

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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby dgrapes59 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:45 am

David,

There are a couple good Cadet websites that have resources for parts and have site sponsors as well as “for sale” and “wanted” sections. For new parts I have used Carter & Gruenewald Co., they are a new site sponsor for us and specialize in new Cadet parts, kind of the TM of the Cadet world! Ask for Ken and you won’t be disappointed!

http://www.cngco.com/

This one is laid out similar to Farmallcub.com so is easy for me to use:

http://www.cubcadetcollectors.com/forum/index.php

This one appears to be a bit bigger, and a little more active, just a little more cumbersome to negotiate around for me:

http://www.onlycubcadets.net/forum/index.php

There are several neat threads tracking complete restorations on various models, one I have been keeping up with now is a real first rate job a guy is doing on an Original, customizing it with a newer 2 cylinder engine, incorporating the new and old.

Happy hunting,
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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby Pony Master » Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:22 pm

Just send it to my house and I will take care of it for you. That way you will have one less project to worry about :{_}: :{_}: Depending on what you need I may have it laying around here. The best place I have found for parts is www.ccspecialties.org
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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby Eugene » Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:46 pm

gitractorman wrote:I think I'd strip that one down and go through it.
Me to. And the steering sector while you have it apart.

Remove the case iron front piece, the engine and steering wheel. Then tip the tractor up on it's butt to get to the clutch and remove the steering sector. Jack up one side of the front axle then the other side to get to the front engine bolts.

I get Kohler engine parts from the local autoparts store.
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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby Paul B » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:45 pm

David
The black engine and the size of the air cleaner would indicate it is an 8 hp (K-181) replacement. When Kohler stopped making the 7 Hp K-161 engine, IH went to the K 181 as the standard replacement engine for the 7hp models (Original, 70, 71, 72, 73).
Spray the clutch/brake pedal shaft where it goes through the frame, with PB Blaster or similar until it will move, and then lock the pedal down and pry the pressure plates and clutch disc apart. You can go to the CubCadetCollectors.com site, and at the top of the page click on manuals, then service manual for the model, and you can look at or download a service manual for the tractor.
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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby David C » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:04 pm

Paul you are right, it is a k 181 8hp replacement...... What color was the original motor? Yellow?

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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby gitractorman » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:22 pm

Yes, the engine was yellow from the Cub Cadet factory. Kohler replacement engines are painted black like yours. The only thing white on your tractor would have been the hood, wheels, and seat. The foot rests were black. Everything else was yellow except for decals, handles, steering wheel, etc.

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Re: Look what followed me home

Postby BigBill » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:24 am

Thyese rough looking tractorsare diamonds in the rough. They do turn out to be my best runners. My 104 looked the sameway. But inside she was still brand new.

My 70cc has a new "black" or dark gray replacement 8hp engine. I may remove it and put a 12hp in its place.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.
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