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orginal cub cadet??

Postby BigBill » Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:26 am

Does the newer narrow frame snowblower(70/100) fit the original cub cadet?

A friend asked me to find out. I never seen a original belt drive cub cadet.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.

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Re: orginal cub cadet??

Postby BigBill » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:23 am

No one here has a original belt drive cadet?
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.

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Re: orginal cub cadet??

Postby dgrapes59 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:43 am

BigBill wrote:No one here has a original belt drive cadet?


Big Bill,

Sorry, I have several O's, but not familiar with the snow blowers. They used snow blowers on O’s, so I suspect it can hook up, just not sure what that would entail. What model is the blower?

I just picked one up that I was told went on an Original, but so far I am not sure exactly what it was initially made for as it is smaller than the ones normally used (is a C 32 vs. 36 or 42....) BUT, I it got it with a few other things (front blades) and don’t really have anything in it.

Hopefully someone with more knowledge will chime in….
David

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Re: orginal cub cadet??

Postby gitractorman » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:07 pm

Bill,
Supposedly the attachments for a 70 or 100 will fit on an original. The Original is considered Series 1. The 70 and 100 are considered Series 2. Series 3 includes the Cub Cadet 71, 102, 122, and 123. Attachments for all 3 series should work on an Original, as all of them used the "bolt on" front implement mounting system. The snow blower for these tractors was made by Danco, and I believe it is the UD-36 model snow blower, but I'm not 100% certain on the model.

Starting with Series 4, Models 72, 104, 105, 124, 125, the front implement mounting uses the "quick hitch" system, with the slot and spring retainer under the front of the frame. That "quick hitch" was carried on with the Series 5 Cadets, Model 73, 106, 107, 126, 127, and 147. Those are also all of the "narrow frame" Cub Cadets. The snow blowers for these tractors are the QA-42 and QA-36 (QA = Quick Attach), and they will not work on the older tractors without some slight modifications (cutting off the mounting pins and drilling extra holes so they can be bolted to the frame).

The Quick Attach "quick hitch" system was also used on all the later Cub Cadets, but they are all "wide frame" tractors, and the implements were wider to accommodate the wider frame hookup point.

Now, here's where it gets a little tricky. The QA-42A and QA-36A (A=adjustable) snow blowers will fit either a narrow or wide frame Cadet by adjusting the width of the mounting points on the snow blowers. However, the QA-42 and QA-36 are narrow frame snow blowers only, and will not work on a wide frame tractor.

One more trick to this with the QA-42A and 36A (adjustable) snow blowers, starting in 1974 with the Quietline or Series 7 Cub Cadets, they started using an electric PTO clutch, which uses a 5/8" wide drive belt instead of the 3/8" wide belt used on all of the older tractors with a manual PTO clutch. They continued to make the QA-42A and QA-36A snow blowers through the end of IH production in 1980, however, the newer snow blowers have a 5/8" wide pulley instead of the 3/8" wide pulley, and no other visible differences. Some folks are able to interchange them, and use the snow blowers on older tractors, but I've also heard that mixing/matching the belts with the wrong size pulleys will shred the belts. I've never done it so I cannot speak from experience.

So, there you go. Yes, you should be able to use a snow blower from a 70 or 100 tractor on an Original.
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Re: orginal cub cadet??

Postby gitractorman » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:18 pm

Also, just so you're aware, as most folks don't know, the Original was built such that the engine did NOT directly drive the transmission. On the original, the engine sits high on top of the frame, and the flywheel drives a short belt to a lower pulley on the drive shaft, which turns the transmission. With the Series 2, 70 and 100 tractors ,they lowered the mounting point of the engine to the bottom of the frame, allowing the drive shaft to line up and couple directly to the engine, and that is when the "shaft drive" Cub Cadets started.
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Re: orginal cub cadet??

Postby BigBill » Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:52 pm

Right the tranny was belt driven on the originals. Did they offer a twin belt setup where they change one pulley diameter for high and low range or they just installed the danco creeper?
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.

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Re: orginal cub cadet??

Postby gitractorman » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:39 pm

No twin belt. Just the Danco underdrive transmission. Also, M&W made a few (VERY FEW) 9-speed underdrive transmissions for the Originals. There's reports to maybe only as many as 5 or 6 ever being made, and currently only 1 is known to exist. Geezer, Bill DeTurk Sr. owns the only M&W currently know to exist! he's on here every once in a great while, but I haven't heard from him in a very long time.
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Re: orginal cub cadet??

Postby BigBill » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:07 pm

Installing a snowblower on an original cadet with 7hp with no creeper is like putting racing stripes on a turtle it's not going to work.
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Re: orginal cub cadet??

Postby BigBill » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:11 pm

I kept a bolens transmission all these years because it has a geared high and low inside the tranny along with a live rear axle.
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Re: orginal cub cadet??

Postby dgrapes59 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:56 pm

gitractorman wrote:No twin belt. Just the Danco underdrive transmission. Also, M&W made a few (VERY FEW) 9-speed underdrive transmissions for the Originals. There's reports to maybe only as many as 5 or 6 ever being made, and currently only 1 is known to exist. Geezer, Bill DeTurk Sr. owns the only M&W currently know to exist! he's on here every once in a great while, but I haven't heard from him in a very long time.


A rough CC Original with a M&W just sold on another site for $2,250 (asking price), so it basically went for $2K! :shock:
David


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