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to buy or not to buy

Postby Stevos_loboy » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:06 pm

I'm a newbie here … so hello all and thank you for having me!
I have been eyeballing the Cub lo boy series for quite some time now, to purchase and work on. We would like to put one to good use on our property to cut grass. Also, I am looking for a project and would consider myself lucky to have one my shop to work on and maintain. I am mechanically inclined and can feel I can fix just about anything, as long it's not sitting on top or below deck of an aircraft carrier!

Soooooooooo …… here's the recent scoop on what I'm looking at: A gentleman has one for sale sem-locally (bout 3 hours away) for a reasonable amount of coin. I can fix stuff, but what he told me sounded like this may be a discouraging opportunity. Not because of lack of mechanical know how, but from what I understand, sometimes parts for these machines are very expensive and can be cost prohibitive to repair. CAN THIS BE FIXED?

"Engine ran great before the clutch mounting flywheel at the trans axle broke and wedged itself against the frame rail"

So obviously there something very wrong with the tractor and wanted to ask experience / hands-on patrons about this before going any farther.
I have attached a photo that the seller forwarded me -

WHAT DO YOU THINK?
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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby Eugene » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:19 pm

Welcome.

What is the asking price? Any equipment? Creeper? 3 point hitch?

Heck we can fix anything. Just takes time, money, and parts. So, the problem can be fixed, cost and parts unknown until disassembled and inspected.

I own a 154, a standard Cub, and a couple other tractors. The numbered Cubs are pretty good lawn mowers. The standard Cubs are also pretty good lawn mowers, plus there are more available implement options for them. Of the two types of Cubs, suggest a standard Cub or the standard Cub low-boy.
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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby MiCarl » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:05 pm

The problem I see with standard Cub or even standard Lo-Boy is height. If he's mowing under anything that's a big deal.

I'm half looking for a certain configuration of 184 Lo-Boy. It doesn't seem many of the number series come up in your neck of the woods. If you're willing to go to Indiana, Ohio or Pennsylvania there are a lot of number series Lo-Boys with mowers and turf tires available.
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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby Stevos_loboy » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:15 pm

H Eugene and MiCarl. Thanks for the response. I became a member here specifically knowing that I would some day soon own a lo boy 154 or 185, I know about the 184, but there is something about the 184 that is just not quite as appealing to me …. maybe its because I've owned red cars & trucks my whole life :)- ….

The 154/185: I want one but would rather spend less $ and fix it up for my needs VS spending max $ dollars on a machine ready to go, and yup, same story bout the poor man whom took his wife to McDonalds to buy a steak dinner!

Any whooooo, when talking to the seller he explained the "breakage" in a little more detail, he was mowing with the unit in question and heard what he described as a mechanical snap then saw sparks flying for a brief moment. The motor is fine, according to him, and there doesn't seem to be any other damage other than the shaft with the hub attached to is now off-center and jammed into the frame … WTH?

He is firm @ $500.00. The tractor comes with no attachments and no 3ph. He's being stin-gee with the woods belly deck that he had mounted at the time of the incident and says he won't part with it, magine that. I would say the tractor is in fair shape but its all there. Tires are good. Motor good. Anyone have any idea what needs to fixed based on the photo and text written?

MiCarl, property is flat with several large trees throughout, trees too big and tall to be a problem. If I could fit a 72" deck under the Cub I would do it in heart beat …. perfect tractor for this size lot, with a little over 3 acres, 80-85 percent mowable!

Thanks again guys

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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby outdoors4evr » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:12 am

I wouldn't buy it without an implement unless I already owned the implement for the tractor. It is too easy to buy an implement that is missing parts that are difficult to obtain. There are lots of mowers available, but can you find a mule drive to fit a 154? If buying an implement, (other than 3-point equipment) I'd take the tractor to the implement and mount it on site. Don't leave or finish the transaction until the implement works.

Regarding the picture, it is difficult to see what has failed. You probably need to review the parts diagram to see what is in that area of concern. For pricing ideas, you might look at HamiltonBobsCubs.
https://hamiltonbobs.com/cart/search/drive-train-c63/ih-m13/154-cub-lo-boy-mm4
Worst case scenerio is you have to replace it all. The Complete Clutch Setup package and a main transmission input shaft would probably cover most of the parts there. Maybe add the driveshaft coupler, driveshaft pins and clutch brake buttons since you are already there. So this is about $600 in parts.

Can you buy a running tractor for $1100 with no mower deck?
Suppose you find a great deal on a mower deck for $400 that fits the tractor. Perhaps finding a running, mowing tractor for $1500?

If you are willing (and able) to do the work, $1500 doesn't seem like a bad price. You might also look for a Farmall A or Super A with a 72" deck. I mow 3 acres and it takes about 2 hours with a numbered lowboy and 60" deck. (I have very few trees to mow around)
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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby Donegal Cub » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:30 am

My tuppence worth is shy away from it, and the owner. Plenty more fish in the sea

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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby Eugene » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:39 am

I would pass on this tractor. Reasons, no implements. Repair cost unknown. Complete, work ready Cubs, with mounted mower decks sell in the $1500- to $2500- range.

A 72 inch mower deck could be, probably is, to large for the Cubs.

Suggest looking around your local for a tractor that you can inspect and operate before purchase. I would also consider makes of tractors that were popular in your local 50 or so years ago with standard, live PTO.
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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby MiCarl » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:18 pm

I agree with the general sentiment: $500 for a busted tractor without the mower is too much. If you're willing to take a road trip you should be able to get a 154 with mower, push plow and chains for under $2500.

As far as my interest in a 184: That's the style "modern" IH tractors had when I was on the farm as a teenager. I don't want to mow with it though, I need AG tires and 3 point hitch for playing in the dirt. That configuration is rare and tends to get pricey. There is also the problem that I'm out of tractor space. There was one near here a few months ago with the belly mower, 3 point and back blade for $1,900. I resisted the urge to snap it up.
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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby MiCarl » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:24 pm

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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby outdoors4evr » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:56 pm

Not a 154, but would certainly do the job.
https://sandusky.craigslist.org/grd/d/w ... 35753.html

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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby Eugene » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:10 pm

I have an excuse. CRS.

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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby Stanton » Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:00 pm

Welcome! Looks like you're already getting some good advice.

Take some time and read through a few threads to acquaint yourself with the Forum:

Now that you have 2 posts, you can access all the free PDF downloads in the Manuals section. They are located via "Quick Links" in the upper left corner of your screen. Hit that and a pull-down appears where you'll find "PDF Manuals". Through that link, you'll be able to download an Owner's Manual (very strongly recommended) and any service manuals that interest you. Implement Manuals are also available.

Might also enjoy reading through this thread: What to do with a Cub you just brought home

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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby Stevos_loboy » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:24 pm

I've changed my mind about the 184! Does the 185 have an alternator / starter also?

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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby Eugene » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:45 pm

Stevos_loboy wrote:Does the 185 have an alternator / starter also?
No. The 154 and 185 have a starter/generator. The starter/generator is one unit and requires a voltage regulator.
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Re: to buy or not to buy

Postby Stevos_loboy » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:53 pm

So does that also mean the 154 / 185 do not share the same engine block as the 184? What other differences are there between the 184 and the others? There is a nice 184 with a 3 point hitch but does not have the reverser gear for the pto and no belly deck or front blade, but very nice tractor nun-the-less. Unfortunately its located in PA and way too far!
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