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154 loBoy driveline

Postby J.Stacey » Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:17 pm

Hello I am new to this forum. I have been reading it for a while though. This past summer I purchased a 154 LoBoy that had a driveline failure. It basically will need everything from the flywheel to the input shaft. I have been told this repair will be expensive. Some parts are no longer available. I know these are underpowered and can run hot in the dead heat of summer. Mine has a (trying to remember) 60" Woods deck under it. I have a lot of open area to mow that I currently mow with a JD 345 with 48" deck. It takes me around 4 hours if I trim also. My son is getting just about to the age he can help with the mowing. I thought I might try and repair the loboy and mow with him. My grass in the open areas isn't really too thick and heavy and I usually mow once a week until it starts to brown. Then I will eventually mow the buckhorn. I bought the loboy dirt cheap so I don't mind putting some money into it. My thoughts are that if I can repair it for under its value I could always sell it and get out from under it if it doesn't work in my situation. I guess I am wanting your opinions. I could also part it out but it looks really nice and looks to be in good condition other than the driveline. I need to look to see how to post photos. I can post some later if you would like to see what I am talking about . These have always intrigued me and even as a kid I thought they were neat.
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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby RaymondDurban » Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:18 pm

Welcome to the Forum!!

What exactly do you mean by 'driveline failure'?? What exactly failed or is broken?? The parts for the 154 can still be found, "Hamiltonbob" on E-bay parts these tractors out and is a good guy to deal with. He is also a member of this forum.
The tractor can be a great mowing machine if properly tuned up. Alot of people don't like them but I love mine. The issue with running hot is an example of someone not cleaning out the cooling system properly.
The photo posting is a bit daunting at first, but is actually quite easy. Get yourself an online photo sharing account first and then upload your photos there. Then it is a matter of linking the address of your photos in your posts for others to see.
Good Luck and keep us posted.
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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby J.Stacey » Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:45 pm

I can grab the driveline by the clutch and move it up and down around an 1" in either direction. The pressure plate is also broken. I am almost positive the driveshaft is slightly bent too. I think I will start an account with photobucket and take some photos.
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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby Bigdog » Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:09 pm

Parts are available though some are a bit pricey. I think it will be worth the effort. If we can't answer your questions here there is a numbered lo-boy group on Yahoo Groups that will be able to help with parts. A couple of those guys should have everything you need.
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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby J.Stacey » Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:47 pm

Hopefully I can get the photos to appear. The throw out bearing holder is broke. The back side of the clutch is broke where it goes onto the trans input shaft. The input shaft looks like it could be oval and worn where the pin would go. The clutch feels slopy on the splines on the shaft. The throwout assembly is sloppy where it pivots. My best guess it that the pin on the input shaft came loose, broke the back side of the clutch, and then broke the throwout bearing holder from the weight and being unballanced. ImageImageImageImageImageImage
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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby Rudi » Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:37 pm

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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby RaymondDurban » Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:27 pm

J.Stacey wrote:The clutch feels slopy on the splines on the shaft. The throwout assembly is sloppy where it pivots. My best guess it that the pin on the input shaft came loose, broke the back side of the clutch, and then broke the throwout bearing holder from the weight and being unballanced.

I see you handled the photo issue with out a problem!
The throwout bearing is not a 'snug' fit between the arms. It needs a bit of room to move so that the arm will pivot up and back down when the clutch pedal is pushed and then released. The TOB is available through CaseIH. The slop you are seeing in the flywheel is more than likely not just the splines but in the transmission gears themselves and in the bolt up in the engine flywheel, although you will definately need a new transmission flywheel. Remove the driveshaft and roll it across a flat surface to see if it is in fact bent, hopefully not!
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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby BigBill » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:52 pm

Go to ebay and search "154 cub" "154cub" for parts there a few parts you need on there right now. Look for "hamiltonbob" there too he parts out 154's so we have plenty of parts that are available time to time. Send him an email too. He is at; rcn@zoomtown.com tell him bill154cub sent you.

These are great mowing machines and with the 60" deck its awesome to mow with too. Its so much faster to mow with and well worth fixin. Trust me once you mow with it you'll be hooked too.
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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby J.Stacey » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:20 pm

Thanks guys. I have some manuals coming. I am going to repair it . It is nice to know there is somewhere I can ask questions and get advice from those who have done that been there. Thanks.
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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby Garland Terry » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:14 pm

Boy you in a whole heap o trouble now!! Looks like you have a busted flywheel which is not technically a flywheel so for the sake of clarity and brevity, which everybody knows I aint long winded, I will call it the rear flywheel. I think I have one that is servicable. 1st question is what happened? next question is will the tranny turn. good news is it shouldn't be a hard fix. better news is I won't want much for the part. send me a pm. GT :thumbsup:
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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby Bermuda Ken » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:32 pm

No worries...these parts do wear out, and IH still offers alot of them. We had a 185 that was thru here and it had a similar problem. Owner neglect was the cause. They parked it when it wouldn't stop or go into gear.
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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby BigBill » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:22 pm

Its funny how many PO's will hear a noise and they know it ain't right but the'll continue to drive it anyway until it stops. Of course by this time the cost of the repair went way up too. Then we come along and get a good buy even though it has to be repaired.

Even with two acres of grass to mow i'd never be without my int154 w/3260 deck. Its like riding in a caddilac when i'm mowing its that smooth. I just need a place for the cup holder.. :{_}: I figure i can mount a cooler on the 3pt hitch. I can raise it to get a cold one and lower it so its out of the way hidden again. (kidding).
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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby Dave Hull » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:58 pm

WAy to go, so many damage with using the service manuals.

These failures usually point to loose tranny connections- check all bolts, frame metal and especially the frame and brace welds.

Also, make sure you buy the factory bolt and torque correctly that goes through the rear plate(flywheel)- many have made this maistake and caused the same or worse failures.
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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby J.Stacey » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:12 pm

Well, I finally got the time to split the rear end off of the Loboy and get a better look. The entire driveline from the engine to the transmission is worn out or broke. Someone got their money's worth because it all looks pretty original. Plus, I found some more issues. The frame rail on the back right side is broke completely in two and since the transmission was loose the front two lower bolts are broken off. Someone knew about the bolts because they made a retainer to hold them into the spacers. Both issues can be repaired pretty easily though. I have been e-mailing "hamiltonbob" back and forth. He is very knowledgeable and has been a huge help. Thanks everyone for your info and comments.
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Re: 154 loBoy driveline

Postby J.Stacey » Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:19 pm

Just curious but has anyone devised a way to support the rear frame or give it more support to relieve it of some stress? After I get mine back together I may look into this.
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