Re: Turf Tire Grooving Experiment

Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:14 am

It worked. To what degree I can't say yet, but 20 for 20 attempts up the snow covered hill the non-grooved tire broke free first. Unfortunately it was too dark to take video, but I will do some filming this afternoon.

As for the tire cutting I layed out the first few lugs, but just free handed it after that. All in all it took 45 min to an hour from start to finish. The groover handled it well, I only used 1 blade and it didn't seem to cut any different from the first to last cut.

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Re: Turf Tire Grooving Experiment

Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:24 am

Sounds like it is working out. Not the first time nor probably the last that my ideas have been proven wrong. I have always believed that the day you stop learning you better be ready to pull the dirt over yourself.

Re: Turf Tire Grooving Experiment

Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:28 am

Try swapping the tires from side to side to see if there is a difference in the surface or a slightly dragging brake.

Re: Turf Tire Grooving Experiment

Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:56 am

There wasn't a ton of snow, but enough to be slippery. As you can see in the video the left tire slips as I start up the hill, applying the left brake transfers power to the grooved tire and I'm able to make it up the hill.

Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ikHGBWrdRc&feature=youtu.be

I also added 2 more rows of grooving as the outer lugs also make contact with the ground.

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Re: Turf Tire Grooving Experiment

Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:07 am

I think at this point, you have to do the other tire so the traction matches.

Re: Turf Tire Grooving Experiment

Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:26 am

outdoors4evr wrote:I think at this point, you have to do the other tire so the traction matches.


Doing both has been the plan from day 1, I just wanted to demonstrated the effectiveness of grooved vs non-grooved in a head to head test. I plan on grooving the 2nd tire tonight / tomorrow.

Re: Turf Tire Grooving Experiment

Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:37 pm

I really liked LFE's idea to sipe these turf tires, but couldn't justify the $80 on the grooving tool. Since I was using my circular saw to cut up some deck boards, I decided to give it a try on the tires instead of the grooving tool. The saw blade is relatively narrow at only 1/8", and it would be easy to control the depth with the fence which I set at 5/16".

It actually was very easy to do. I cut the same pattern as LFE and didn't get too hung up on exact placement. I cut 3-4 rows on each side and rolled the tractor forward a foot or so and kept going until I made it all the way around. I wore a dust mask and used my leaf blower to clean up the debris afterwards. Maybe 45 minutes total? It literally didn't effect the carbide saw blade and the only time I had any blue smoke was if I side loaded the saw a little bit.

If I did it again I would jack up the tractor to rotate the tires and set the saw a little deeper. Maybe 3/8"? Not sure the outer row is needed?

Driving on this light snow in the pic it seemed to make a big difference compared to the stock tire. I don't expect it will make much difference in deep snow. Sorry, no analytical data or side by side comparison, you'll just have to take my word for it. 8)

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Re: Turf Tire Grooving Experiment

Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:49 am

Interesting experiment. Glad it worked out for you.

I do know that your method will prevent the bumpy ride on smooth surfaces if you had installed chains. When I go down the road to push snow at the neighbors driveways, I have to poke along because the chains in combination with the lug tires makes for a bumpy ride. Of course, the neighbors are just glad to see me coming down the road, however fast I get there! :wink:

Re: Turf Tire Grooving Experiment

Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:50 pm

Stanton, what's your air pressure set at? I run mine at 10psi and don't notice any big issues with the chains on. Sure it's noisier, but surprisingly smooth.

I pushed some snow last night and the tires worked well without chains. Minimal spinning, only when popping the clutch. Conditions were ideal for snow traction at a chilly 7 degrees and very dry snow so there wasn't anything wet to create a slippery surface.

Re: Turf Tire Grooving Experiment

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:09 am

Glad to see it is working for you.
My 184 is an absolute pig in snow. It gets stuck if I just get off the paved driveway into the grass. I don't have a 3 point just a drawbar and the cost of weights and chains is pretty steep for a cheapskate like me. My solution is a 1972 Sears ST12 riding mower with a 2005 Troy Built snow blower on it to blow snow. The thing handles like an ATV in the snow compared to my 184. A friend has a loboy with a 500lb weight on his 3 point and he does a fair job moving snow until it gets slick then he has to chain up.

Larry B

Re: Turf Tire Grooving Experiment

Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:47 pm

I purchased many bags of ice bar cross link chain. I been fabricating my own 8.3x24" duo-cross ice bar chains. I can even drive in reverse with the nose facing down hill now.